[Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto] RDM

[Doombringer]

Any party play style that didn't involve casting Haste here and there or the odd Cure IV would be a pretty awful play style. They're not there for decoration, they're in the spell list so they can be cast when needed.

Also, a party play style that consists only of casting cures and buffs would get old after a bit, wouldn't it? I guess that's why spells like Dia III, Blizzard IV, and whatnot are also available to SpankWustler. Actually, I think it could out-damage Black Mage and Scholar over time for a brief time between updates/level-cap increases. Between levels 85 and 90, maybe?

New enhancing and enfeebling magic would definitely make SpankWustler more interesting to play, but even at this very moment, you have options other than being a pure healer or scampering up to a monster to flip it's Frankenfurters.

I don't understand why so many SpankWustlers who want to flip Frankenfurters think the only other option is to cast the same three spells over and over. It's not. You have many things you can cast at things.

Along those lines, more things to cast at things would certainly liven the job up a bit. Since that's exactly what SE seems inclined to add to the job, given what's been said so far, I choose to be optimistic for the future of SpankWustler.

It doesn't sound like the ability to flip Frankenfurters is being completely ignored, either. Maybe the new en-spell will be more helpful than the tier II line, which was basically "Additional Effect: Drop the Frankenfurter on a profoundly unclean floor, hope nobody notices, and put it back on the griddle quickly and covertly."

So don't worry, some poor dude at SE definitely knows you guys and your perceived need to flip Frankenfurters exists.

dude... give it up.. the spankwustler thing wasn't that funny, EVER.. and you're just makin' it sad...

[Quetzacoatl]

Just did a Translation with Google Chrome of this post from the JP forums:

こんにちは。

先日、回避ダウン効果の魔法として上位のグラビデを検討しているという回答をしましたが、更なる検討の結果、上位のグラビデは赤魔道士専用の魔法になり、サポートジョブ赤魔道士の場合も含め、他のジョブでは使用できないものになりそうという方向性になりました。

グラビデの上位版に期待していた皆さんには残念なお知らせで、本当にごめんなさい。

類似効果の学者用新魔法を用意したりする予定は……という点についてですが、せっかく新しい魔法を追加するのであれば学者特有のものにしたいということで、学者には別途専用の魔法（例えばTPスリップとか）を検討しているとのことです。こちらについては今後またご紹介できればと思います。

Into this:

Hello. Recently, I have the answer that you are considering a higher Gravity down to avoid a magical effect, the results of further study, the higher will be the magic of Gravity only Red Mage, Red Mage support job even if included in other jobs that direction now likely to be unavailable. I expected everyone to know superset of Gravity is unfortunate, really sorry. New plans or to provide for scholars of magic effects ... but for similar terms, are unique in that we want to scholars if you add a new spell much trouble, only to scholars of magic separately (eg Toka Slip TP) that is considering that. For here I hope to introduce in the future.

Basically, Gravity 2 will be RDM only. Thanks SE!

Oh, and sorry, SCHs.

[Raksha]

Just did a Translation with Google Chrome of this post from the JP forums:



Into this:



Basically, Gravity 2 will be RDM only. Thanks SE!

Oh, and sorry, SCHs.

Yeah I didn't imagine SCH was gonna get Gravity II at all, and for damn sure not above RDM.

No apologies necessary.

[Quetzacoatl]

Yeah I didn't imagine SCH was gonna get Gravity II at all, and for damn sure not above RDM.

No apologies necessary.

You, ma'am, are a lady (or gentleman depending!) and a SCH. :P

Although, I am expecting a wave of posts consisting of "YOU LIED TO US!!1!!!!1!" coming from other users. That'll be lovely.

[Raksha]

You, ma'am, are a lady (or gentleman depending!) and a SCH. :P

Although, I am expecting a wave of posts consisting of "YOU LIED TO US!!1!!!!1!" coming from other users. That'll be lovely.

Potential ToAU spoilers:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/990...0807204636.png

Would've been better if I could've actually solo'd him on SCH ;_;

[cidbahamut]

ITT: Cureskin doesn't exist.

[Greatguardian]

You seem to have missed the point. You specifically talked about SE themselves putting their foot down.

I'm telling you that they already have, multiple times. It's not my fault people are shoving their heads in the sand about it.

[Ketaru]

You seem to have missed the point. You specifically talked about SE themselves putting their foot down.

I'm telling you that they already have, multiple times. It's not my fault people are shoving their heads in the sand about it.

Apparently not, seeing as they've decided to entertain the notion of a melee adjustment, instead of simply ignoring it. It's easy really. Quote the question, then give this very polite response:

"At this time, we have no plans for adjusting Red Mage's Sword proficiency."

That isn't what was said. In fact, the very opposite was said. It actually took up the majority of Camate's response and it wasn't said in vague possibilities of "maybe in the future". Seemed to me like there actually definitive expectations for the next version update.

I would love to know how some of my ideas for party enhancement spells would work. I think it's a long time coming that we finally see something that makes us work alongside pet jobs, in fact. And all I got was Gravity II.

[Greatguardian]

The viability of Cor/Rdm in general is going to depend a lot on how consistent Wildfire continues to act outside Abyssea. It's highly unlikely that a Cor/Rdm will be able to keep up a high-maintenance Refresh cycle as well. Refresh itself is only 110 MP for the caster, meaning that over the duration of the spell, the Corsair will only be able to consistently Refresh 3 other people.

No good Corsair will ever have Evoker's roll on them for more than 20-50 seconds, ever, so you can't count on that as a source of self Refresh. While it may look decent on paper, Cor/Rdm is never going to be able to fulltime Refresh spell on any full caster party without seriously gimping themselves in some form or another (Be it fulltiming Evoker's on themselves, or Resting, or whatnot).

Edit: Welcome to the Official Forums. They're looking into WS adjustments across the board, for every job. If Red Mage gets Vorpal Blade out of it, more power to them. If not, whatever. That does not mean they are looking into RDM-specific melee adjustments. It simply means that the melee crowd may be getting a bone when the Dev team completes their game-wide revamp of all sub-75 Weaponskills and their accessibility.

The Devs have stated quite clearly that they are looking into improving the group aspect of Red Mage, which consists of its Buffing and Debuffing prowess. That's an incredibly polite way of saying "No". I'm sorry if you just don't see that, or want to look for things that just aren't there. Who knows, you may get lucky. For those of us who understand the delicacy with which news like this has to be handed to people like those who post on this subforum, the message is abundantly clear.

[Ketaru]

The Devs have stated quite clearly that they are looking into improving the group aspect of Red Mage, which consists of its Buffing and Debuffing prowess. That's an incredibly polite way of saying "No". I'm sorry if you just don't see that, or want to look for things that just aren't there. Who knows, you may get lucky.

I don't know what kind of update it is you think I actually want. The only thing I can give you is that I intend to use it, whatever form it may take.