Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Laphine]

oh yeah, sorry. How can i show them to you tho?

There are situations where we won't miss. If the fight is quick for one. For me, it's simply more reasonable to say we might miss at least one than we will always miss at least one.

[Alaik]

Save the file, put it on google documents and post the link.

As far as the missing SA goes, I believe on Alla Breaze (Maybe Melphina) during einherjar they parsed their ability to land SA and it was at 80% or so. I can't find the thread, but hopefully someone else can.

When I parsed my einherjar events I parsed 80-90%. 80% is one in five. That's hardly a negligible amount.

[Laphine]

war~
thf~

Hope it works. Never used google docs.

[Alaik]

Thanks. Once you post the THF one we'll be able to see what's causing the numbers. I already see we set up the WARs differently. (You didn't factor in DA really) You also have Voracious Violet on one of their atma, yet somehow place their WS DA rate as 15%? That's 20% DA from their absolute base and the VV atma alone. I also have different STR values. +166 STR during WS for a WAR inside abyssea is REALLY low. Keep in mind, that VV atma you use adds 50 alone, an Ukon is 15. Base STR at 90 for an elvaan WAR at least is around the 100 mark. That means excluding all gear but Ukon you're at 165 STR. Needless to say, you can get MUCH higher and inside abyssea, 166 STR on a WS is a pretty bad WAR.

The WAR has no GA merits, on mine I assumed full merits for both, dagger for THF, Gaxe for WAR.

You also show no bonus crit damage or rate though the atmas are on there.

That's just a small glimpse, again, sorry I'm at work and the EMS Gods are very busy today it seems. 6 wrecks so far, joy.

Have fun posting the THF one. I know THF has like, 901 variables you have to plug in.

EDIT: By the time I typed that out you had posted the spreadsheet. iFail.

[Alaik]

Alright, so, basically. The WAR is not buffed, the THF is, the mob is not debuffed for the WAR and it has Dia II for the THF. Those two spreadsheets show the WAR fighting a level 101 target, but the THF fighting a 97.

And I think looking at the WARs again, you're saying his WS dmg with berserk/agg up is 1211 with Ukon? I may be misunderstanding that. Your spreadsheet looks abit different.

All those factors alone I could see making a huge impact in THF's favor.

Oh, the THF is fully meritted, the WAR isn't.

[Laphine]

I removed everything abysseawise from the war spreadsheet. From the start i was talking about outside. War has low str because i removed cruor buffs. And those 3 columns of atmas are so i copy-paste if i wanted to change. The war has Gaxe merits too.

It is 1211 with zerk up indeed. Idk if new spreadsheets changed this. I thought i had the newest one when i decided to compare war and thf. 1211 didn't surprise me so much. It is a lv 101 mob with 560 defense (504 debuffed) we are talking about.

Btw, the thf spreadsheet still has abyssea mode on. Easy enough to change tho. Oh wait ninja edits after ninja edits lol. Yeah thf is completely set to abyssea. Just change target to bukhis and set the 'in abyssea?' variable to 0.

[Alaik]

Yeah I was wanting to see how you set up with the same buffs on the same target with the same debuffs to get that THF was ahead of WAR, which is why me and everyone else was WTFing. Also, once you correct all of that and put them both on equal footing with the same level of merits, on the same mob, with the same debuffs on the mob, with the same buffs, WAR beats THF. By a lot.

[Laphine]

wait...
they are on the same grounds. Where are you getting they aren't?

Thf was inside abyssea because i play around a lot with the spreadsheet. But it's easy enough to change it there. It's a 2 cell change. Everything else is the same. Both with dia2 up, both with capped weapon and crit merits. None of them buffed but war with hasso. That's being on the same ground for me. If you change target to bukhis and in abyssea to 0 thf will have 84 dps. War is there with 79.5.

Outside abyssea was all i cared about. No surprise that war beats thf inside.

[Alaik]

That's interesting.

http://s724.photobucket.com/albums/w...urrent=THF.jpg

http://s724.photobucket.com/albums/w...urrent=WAR.jpg

Those are what your spreadsheets are showing for me, and those stats are vastly different.

Some seem to have changed recently, however several of the issues are still there.

Though again, it's INSIDE that lets THF not be so far behind WAR. Outside on VT-IT stuff WAR decimates us.

[SpankWustler]

The job updates in general made me happy. The Thief update, however, is sad.

No matter how many times I read the text for Bully, all I can see is "Feral Howl II: A Job Ability Sucks Again"

I'd like to think it's better than it sounds, given what other jobs are getting, but given the development team's weird ideas about Steal and Mug I am less than optimistic. The robotic pterodactyl named BAD END is circling.