Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Byrth]

That would actually be ~691 proccable swings, because TA procs before DA. Same conclusion though, it's about 5%.

[Insaniac]

Gah!.. I thought it was the other way around.

[noodles355]

I was thinking I could just ???/THF.

I did count beaks but I didn't note when they dropped on a TH4 kill. I'm keeping a count of TH4 kills separate so I can post numbers on that when I get a few hundred. (Currently I only have 26 ;_; ). I wanted to keep tracking the TH4 drops as simple as possible.

One other number I was able to come up with while doing this was a 5~% proc rate on my relic damage hidden effect. There had been some talk of increased proc rates but I don't know if that had been debunked yet.

I had 32 procs in 2052 swings. Adjusting for 19% Triple attack 13% double attack and dual wield (Relic damage can't proc on the 2nd or 3rd hit of multi-attack rounds or off hand swings) I came up with 665~ procable swings. If someone more mathy wants to check that, please do.

I'll do another 200 or so kills tomorrow.

I don't think it's a hidden affect on the relic it's self.
People are seeing an increase in level ups using SA and TA.
People are seeing an increase in level ups using Relic weapons on their 2~3x Dmg proc.
People are seeing an increase in level ups using Empyrean when ODD is up.
People are seeing an increase in level ups on SA when using AF3 hands.
People are seeing an increase in level ups on weaker monsters.

What do all of these have in common? You're doing more damage. I've been thinking this for a while now, but more and more it's looking like the more damage you do on a hit, the greater the chance to lvl up TH. Would explain all of the above. I find it very unlikely that they would add a hidden affect to Mandau that rises the chance to proc a level up, concidering it is also a brd and rdm weapon. Ditto Twatstar and Dnc.

[Insaniac]

I don't think it's a hidden affect on the relic it's self.
People are seeing an increase in level ups using SA and TA.
People are seeing an increase in level ups using Relic weapons on their 2~3x Dmg proc.
People are seeing an increase in level ups using Empyrean when ODD is up.
People are seeing an increase in level ups on SA when using AF3 hands.
People are seeing an increase in level ups on weaker monsters.

What do all of these have in common? You're doing more damage. I've been thinking this for a while now, but more and more it's looking like the more damage you do on a hit, the greater the chance to lvl up TH. Would explain all of the above. I find it very unlikely that they would add a hidden affect to Mandau that rises the chance to proc a level up, concidering it is also a brd and rdm weapon. Ditto Twatstar and Dnc.

You've misunderstood. I'm only talking about the hidden 3x damage proc on Mandau. Nothing to do with TH. It was just something unrelated that I figured I would test while I was out there.

[noodles355]

Ah sorry, thought you meant you were getting 5% more TH procs with mandau and someone had told you about a hidden TH affect.
I'm still interested in the more dmg=more chance of proc idea though.

[Insaniac]

Round 2

Got cut short by wind weather and an army of BSTs.

104/157= 66.24%

Drop rates were higher today. Not Drastically higher I guess for the small sample size but it still kinda surprised me. The only difference between today and yesterday was sanction. It's not unreasonable to think that the proper crystal effect would increase drop rates. Do we know if Thorny had sanction during his parses?

Running total - 209/341 = 61.29%

[noodles355]

Could you start posting Beak drops as well? They're also important.

[Byrth]

Sorry, I said that backwards but did the math in the right order. TA procs before DA.

[Insaniac]

Could you start posting Beak drops as well? They're also important.

For the purpose of this test I don't see why they are important but if you insist I will start posting how many dropped. I'm not keeping track of how many of them dropped on TH4 kills though. That's just more work for me.

[Byrth]

Round 2

Got cut short by wind weather and an army of BSTs.

104/157= 66.24%

Drop rates were higher today. Not Drastically higher I guess for the small sample size but it still kinda surprised me. The only difference between today and yesterday was sanction. It's not unreasonable to think that the proper crystal effect would increase drop rates. Do we know if Thorny had sanction during his parses?

Running total - 209/341 = 61.29%

I don't know whether he did or not, and word on the street is that he quit. If his sample size was that large and data collection was automated, I think it's fairly safe to say he probably didn't for most of it. Your two samples are almost exclusive, I think, in that the statistically exclude each other. So Sanction likely has an effect? Not something I would have predicted.