Screwed again: Proposed THF job adjustments.

[Alaik]

Question: Does anyone reading this thread read Japanese better than Google? I'm curious to see how they're taking it. Google translate can show general displeasure for sure, but there's alot left to be desired...

[Insaniac]

What I have said is where I think THF is realistically going. Statistically, having more THFs should improve drop rate, so where secure/timely victory is not of concern, THF provides more utility than any other DD in TH applicable situations. I don't know where you all get this notion of THF sitting around. THF's new system encourages melee; you all are just too into the LV75 era to recognize this. In fact, THF is the only member I'll allow to melee against risky targets such as Pantokrator and it's precisely because of the new TH system. Any other melee (Perhaps there for blue!! on a non-blunt proc) I'll tell to gtfo and after they've proced blue!! on the mob. Their specialty is measured by improving the odds of gear dropping such that you can do the coin analogy rather than a 1/52 card analogy. What you fail to realize is that there is only one best DD, one best nuker, one best TH, one best support, and one best healer. What about the other 15 classes that don't have this luxury? Also, the game revolves around obtaining gear. It doesn't matter if you do 90000000 damage if that means you floor drop rates. It doesn't matter if your healing practically makes them invincible if you floor drop rates. This reality is actually the sole reason why classes that would normally benefit greatly from abyssea, such as DRG, haven't played a primary role.

I had written a much longer response to this but it got bagooshed when I hit reply and the forums were in maintenance. So, I'll just say these 2 things.

1) Your comments on TH encouraging THF melee show that you don't understand it enough to participate in an argument about it. If anything the new TH system encourages THF to not melee because it uses up valuable mob HP that should be saved for the only semi-reliable ways to proc TH, SA and TA. Luckily most people have realized the difference between TH6 and TH10 is so small it's not even worth spending the extra time to get in most fights. Also, using Pankrator as an example is flawed. Abyssea refresh and HP allow for this sort of thing. Have a THF full time melee on a T3/4 voidwalker and see how long they last and how quickly their WHMs MP is gone.

2) While you are mostly correct about the game revolving around gear you're forgetting the symbiosis of having fun while obtaining and using that gear. It's extremely important. Without it we have no game. Playing THF in any TH whore situation is plain and simple not fun.

[Insaniac]

I think it is related to damage in some way.

I am of the belief that it works similar to the debuff on status bolts. For example some mobs because of their elemental alignment are resistant to acid bolt procs. I've run in to the same thing with TH procs on mobs that are extremely resistant to magic or status ailments. SA and TA would just increase the "magic acc" of the en-TH effect. Could just be my imagination.

[Byrth]

I am of the belief that it works similar to the debuff on status bolts. For example some mobs because of their elemental alignment are resistant to acid bolt procs. I've run in to the same thing with TH procs on mobs that are extremely resistant to magic or status ailments. SA and TA would just increase the "magic acc" of the en-TH effect. Could just be my imagination.

I'm pretty sure this is correct, or at least there's something more to it. I duoed Temperance with myself a few months ago (DNC/NIN + THF/WHM) and could not get TH to proc at all.

[Karbuncle]

If thats the case I would laugh and laugh...

"Mobs resistant to magic? sucks for TH upgrades!"

[Laphine]

time to full time macc gear yo~

[Insaniac]

Hey it's a light-based en-effect so we should probably start SAing in CHR gear right? OH SNAP!! The CHR on THF relic comes full circle!!

[Byrth]

Well, keep in mind that some additional effects are non-magic related. For instance, Excal's additional effect does Slashing damage. I don't know what Jinx Discus's additional effect is, but I managed to curse an Imp yesterday. It could be that the additional effect for TH is just Piercing damage. Also keep in mind that the "full proc rate" is probably not anything close to 100% and likely varies based on the current TH level.

[Insaniac]

That is possible but it would make slightly less sense because those are connected to a specific weapon. You can proc TH with a staff if you want to.

[Byrth]

Yeah, but I know I SA/TA'd Jailer of Temperance quite a bit in both Piercing (daggers) and Blunt (H2H) mode and failed to get a proc. He may be proccable now that he takes at least 12.5% damage from everything, but that just loses us a testing subject.