Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Habiki]

Dumb idea is still dumb.

Next we'll have requests for BLU to use Forks because Quina did it in FFIX.

I want polearm skill for my blue mage, Kimahri Rosno from FFX got it and he was a blue mage.

[Sparthos]

I want polearm skill for my blue mage, Kimahri Rosno from FFX got it and he was a blue mage.

Right after I get my JA to turn Soulflayer at will.

[Leonlionheart]

all i want for blu is phalanx and MABII so i can stop this silly /rdm thing and go back to /sch :<

[Sparthos]

all i want for blu is phalanx and MABII so i can stop this silly /rdm thing and go back to /sch :<

That sounds reasonable enough to actually be implemented.

I still want my Soulflayer though!

[Korpg]

Twist nothing. You are admitting you can't answer my question. I already told you that SMN has a vast amount of MP and when not BPing they can easily help cure people. It's how SMN was played since day one and there is no excuse to change it.

But wait, didn't you say that you are Diabolos Refresh only? Wouldn't more than 1 BP a minute be too much for you, since all you care about is standing around looking pretty?

I'm done with you. Someone else posted explaining how insane it would be to require an avatar to auto attack a sleeping mob. Since you refuse to ever answer my question, I'm considering you a troll who has nothing better to do than argue. You've had BLMs tell you that you are wrong, you've had SMN tell you that you are wrong, and still you don't listen. Until you answer my question, this argument is over.

You want to know the answer? There is no situation would you want anyone to hit sleeping mobs that the party/alliance isn't killing, avatar or not. That is the most obvious answer and I expected you to know that answer. But you have to make it so in order for you to do anything, you have to have both an avatar out and curebomb the BLMs, which leads to your avatar waking the mobs because you feel that you need to be on top of the hatelist and have to have everything come kill you when they wake up. It is not my fault, nor SE, that you can't learn a simple concept of "don't get on top of the hatelist when you are in a party that the BLM has to sleep the mobs."

SE, please fix it so that Avatars do not auto-attack slept mobs. There is no situation where this is helpful and it only hinders SMN.

You know, you still don't get it. What does an avatar do when the SMN is on top of the hate list? They auto-attack. When do the avatars generally get on top of the hate list a lot? When they are soloing. You want to take away the best thing a soloist SMN has because you cannot learn a simple concept of not getting on the top of the mob hatelist in a party setup. Trust me, it is that simple.

[Byrth]

Actually Korpg, it's a stupid design flaw that shouldn't have made it past RotZ beta almost a decade ago.

[Dallas]

But wait, didn't you say that you are Diabolos Refresh only? Wouldn't more than 1 BP a minute be too much for you, since all you care about is standing around looking pretty?

Korpg, I forget... weren't you one of the guys that didn't believe there were SMN out there who did absolutely nothing (and were proud of it)?

[Korpg]

Korpg, I forget... weren't you one of the guys that didn't believe there were SMN out there who did absolutely nothing (and were proud of it)?

You mean like you do when you are weakened? Since you are like that 75% of the time from AoE TP/spells?

[Tarage]

I'm not going to take you seriously any more Korpg. You have proven to me that you refuse to admit you are wrong. If an avatar auto-attacks a sleeping mob, it is a bad thing. You have not provided one instance ever in which you would want that behavior. Therefor you have no reason to be against a fix that would fix that behavior, and leave everything else the way it has always been. You are arguing to argue, so you are a troll.

Go away troll.

[Korpg]

I'm not going to take you seriously any more Korpg. You have proven to me that you refuse to admit you are wrong. If an avatar auto-attacks a sleeping mob, it is a bad thing. You have not provided one instance ever in which you would want that behavior. Therefor you have no reason to be against a fix that would fix that behavior, and leave everything else the way it has always been. You are arguing to argue, so you are a troll.

Go away troll.

Have you asked yourself why an avatar auto-attacks a sleeping mob? Or any mob period? Avatars don't just go up and say "hey, there is a mob sleeping, let me hit it so I can possibly wipe the party." Just because you have a viewpoint of SMN being a support job only, does not mean that everyone shares the same idea as you. You play SMN as a gimp WHM and RDM, while others play it as a DD job, a melee mage, a solo job, and as a TP free damage job. Are they all wrong in playing SMN as you don't do?

But the main problem is, the only way to keep avatars from sleeping mobs, except not being on top of the mob's hate list, would be to take away the aggression of avatars on monsters who have the SMN as on top of the hate list. Do you know what that would do to the soloist who play this job to kite/kill NMs? Just because you don't play SMN as a soloist job doesn't mean you have to take it away from those who do.

SE knows that most of us understand SMN enough to not be on top of the hate list when in a party situation. Why are you suggesting that you take away a key aspect of the job because you cannot learn from your mistakes.