Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Raksha]

I fixed the last part for you... They got the questions from somewhere so someone wanted them answered... If anyones to blame its the other languages/threads/forum-sections where they got these incredibly derp-rated questions from.

Either way, If thats the case, Obviously i retract my statement, When i read that last past it sounded like you were saying what i explained above.

I just see a lot of pointless bashing of Community reps around here, and that last one seemed off. Nothing more, continue your business then!

Sasaraixx gave us the heads up when the JP version was posted and even the JP were confused by the questions:

And as for the questions chosen, I don't know where they come from. The reactions from some of the JP posters were exactly the same. Namely, "Um . . .?"

So maybe it's the French and German forums?

P.S. Didn't you hear? I speak for all SCHs. >_> (kidding) (EDIT: to expound on this, There aren't a lot of posts in the SCH forum, and I'm pretty confident I've read them all, so when I say these are questions that no one cares about I'm not speaking hyperbolically)

EDIT: I notice there's a 2nd DRK post also.

[Cymmina]

Seriously, can any other job get some answers? It's been all scholar all the time. Not the community reps causing this, they just reporting what they given. We are in serious need of other updates though besides scholar.

And what jobs need "answers" exactly? Jobs that are already at the top of the totem pole? The jobs that are getting attention currently are the ones that are underpowered and in need of attention (PUP, RNG, DRK, SMN, SAM, and THF are some of the other jobs I've seen addressed). Not that it matters since most of the "answers" we're seeing are noncommittal responses to lolquestions (not blaming the reps, since they're just messengers).

I'm not expecting a pony here, but I haven't seen anything presented for SCH that would make them in any way desirable over comparable jobs. Other support classes got more powerful unique spells/abilities than SCH got over the last 15 levels. Mana Wall, Mana Cede, Earthen Armor, Scherzo, Cure VI, Divine Caress, Saboteur, Refresh II. Compare that to Animus Augeo/Minuo, Adloquium, and Perpetuance and I think you will agree that we've been been getting the short end of the stick. The only thing "unique" we've received that's of value since we broke 75 is Immanence, and it's a big "who cares?" Melee DDs are just plain better sources of damage and a lot more durable.

[Merton9999]

@SCH

Some encouraging general words about unique spells. As far as the specific info I'm just as confused as Raksha. I don't know where these requests are coming from, except the first one of course.

Cure V
I'm the first to vote for a Cure V equivalent unique to SCH in the best case scenario, but my concern at this point is over the testing window necessary to make it useful. SCH spent the last 15 levels getting underpowered unique spells and the only excuse I could make was that the potency was just being tested. Honestly, I'd rather they just added Cure V and got it over with than get stuck with another lemon.

If this Regen spell came with a Modus Veritas type ability that could be used frequently (1 minute) on party members to enhance potency and decrease duration of tick-based buffs (regain, refresh, regen, and make animus like this too), I'd be excited for a Regen V-X or whatever. Important: this version of MV shouldn't be allowed to miss >.>

Gravity and Auspice II
Was this accidentally copied from RDM and WHM? I seriously doubt these would appear on SCH only.

Decoy
This is really confusing. First, FFXII's Decoy was just someone else casting provoke on you. It didn't have anything to do with redirecting and canceling dispel moves. If that's what it does in XI though, it actually sounds pretty nice.

Storms and Magic Crit
Yes please, more use for storms, but I don't like the randomness in this suggestion either. It's still way too little compared to what I expected out of SCH's unique spell line by 99.

A spell that makes it so a player's pet can intimidate a monster
Although thankfully neither I nor anyone else on the English boards has ever mentioned this, I am still embarrassed by it.

[thenewzero]

Tank: I'm in the red! Medic!
SCH: I got this. (casts regen-type spell)
Tank: What was that?
SCH: Don't worry, you'll be good as new in five minutes.
*tank dies*

While I can see where you're coming from with this, I like the possibility of them looking into ways to make us better healers without just copy/pasting WHM abilities. I love playing healers in MMOs, but I absolutely *hate* how WHM plays. I only leveled it because...well, no one else can heal anything of value right now besides WHM. On the other hand, I love how SCH plays. If we got something else that gave us a further unique feel while closing the vast gap between SCH healing and WHM healing, then I'm all for it. I've always throught SCH should get better Regen spells than WHM, given that we're more of a 'buffing' type of class, and our exclusive damage spells are 'over time' effects like Regen. Cure V wouldn't really enhance the playstyle of SCH. You'd just replace one of your current Cures with it. It's just a raw throughput increase.

Now, of course, if it was as bad as Adloquium ended up, I don't blame you for feeling like that. It would have to be noticeably better than the Regen that WHM got to really mean anything. But then they did say they are considering giving SCH this new ability *and* Cure V.

P.S. - A Modus Veritas style JA (or better yet, a spell affected by Accession) that affected Regen spells would be pretty cool, as a previous poster mentioned. But like they said, just don't let it miss. >_>

[Raksha]

While I can see where you're coming from with this, I like the possibility of them looking into ways to make us better healers without just copy/pasting WHM abilities. I love playing healers in MMOs, but I absolutely *hate* how WHM plays. I only leveled it because...well, no one else can heal anything of value right now besides WHM. On the other hand, I love how SCH plays. If we got something else that gave us a further unique feel while closing the vast gap between SCH healing and WHM healing, then I'm all for it. I've always throught SCH should get better Regen spells than WHM, given that we're more of a 'buffing' type of class, and our exclusive damage spells are 'over time' effects like Regen. Cure V wouldn't really enhance the playstyle of SCH. You'd just replace one of your current Cures with it. It's just a raw throughput increase.

Now, of course, if it was as bad as Adloquium ended up, I don't blame you for feeling like that. It would have to be noticeably better than the Regen that WHM got to really mean anything. But then they did say they are considering giving SCH this new ability *and* Cure V.

P.S. - A Modus Veritas style JA (or better yet, a spell affected by Accession) that affected Regen spells would be pretty cool, as a previous poster mentioned. But like they said, just don't let it miss. >_>

Hmmmm how did you manage to post without selecting your character to show in your profile?

Intriguing

[Sasaraixx]

Seriously, can any other job get some answers? It's been all scholar all the time. Not the community reps causing this, they just reporting what they given. We are in serious need of other updates though besides scholar.

You really like to complain about SCH don't you? If you looked at other forums, you would know that every day there was a SCH post, there were posts for other jobs as well (SAM, RNG, DRK) and that doesn't include jobs that received some info before SCH.

[Karbuncle]

You really like to complain about SCH don't you? If you looked at other forums, you would know that every day there was a SCH post, there were posts for other jobs as well (SAM, RNG, DRK) and that doesn't include jobs that received some info before SCH.

Think his complaint is more towards that SCH has 3, While there are still a good chunk of jobs that have no general updates.

WAR
MNK
RDM
WHM
BLM
PLD
BST
BRD
NIN
DRG
BLU
COR

Some of those jobs don't really have a lot of complaints (Then again i didnt think SCH was complaining much either :X) The Reps will get to other jobs when they have the info. I think waiting it out is good. This is by and far better than the old days!

[Alhanelem]

Anything that makes scholar more unique is good in my book. I don't want to just mirror what WHMs and BLMs do.

[Kari]

Scholar - Part 3!

Here is yet another follow-up to all of your feedback related to scholar.
(Judging from the last rep post, it seems I angered Bayohne. Thankfully he is not here to punish me. Tomorrow is another day though... ><)

Part of me is annoyed that SCH has gotten 3 insights towards the Manifesto, but DNC hasn't even gotten a tiny hint of information. =/
The other part of me isn't worried though, because most of the questions being answered are really bad.
Out of the 3 SCH posts alone, maybe 3 or 4 questions were worth answering. >_>

[Soundwave]

Part 3, geeze...