Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Karbuncle]

what he is defending is the same mechanic that allows smn to solo. So what your asking for could be seen as a nerf to smn soloers.

Actually, Tar is only asking for avatars to not auto-attack slept mobs. Hes not asking to remove auto-attack completely from avatars, just that they have some sort of sub-routine that checks if a mob is slept and won't auto attack.

[Korpg]

Actually, Tar is only asking for avatars to not auto-attack slept mobs. Hes not asking to remove auto-attack completely from avatars, just that they have some sort of sub-routine that checks if a mob is slept and won't auto attack.

We both know that SE won't have a sub-routine added on for this, they will either take away the auto-attack or leave it as is. It really is black/white for them.

[Tarage]

We both know that SE won't have a sub-routine added on for this, they will either take away the auto-attack or leave it as is. It really is black/white for them.

Really. I thought you were finally going to let it go. But no, you're still arguing with your flawed logic. I bet 3 years ago you would have argued that SE would never fix the out-of-range BP timer reset problem. But they did. And they can fix this too. It's so nice to know you have so little faith in the developers of the game you claim to be so good at.

I'll ask you again, let me have my suggestion and just go away. There is no reason for you to follow me everywhere I go and argue with me. You've said it yourself, and others have said it as well: If SE implements a stopgag that stops avatars from auto-attacking sleeping mobs it would not harm you in the slightest. But I know you better. You're just going to keep arguing because you can't ever let it go. You have to fluff your ego and pad your post count. Keep it up troll.

[Draylo]

Really. I thought you were finally going to let it go. But no, you're still arguing with your flawed logic. I bet 3 years ago you would have argued that SE would never fix the out-of-range BP timer reset problem. But they did. And they can fix this too. It's so nice to know you have so little faith in the developers of the game you claim to be so good at.

I'll ask you again, let me have my suggestion and just go away. There is no reason for you to follow me everywhere I go and argue with me. You've said it yourself, and others have said it as well: If SE implements a stopgag that stops avatars from auto-attacking sleeping mobs it would not harm you in the slightest. But I know you better. You're just going to keep arguing because you can't ever let it go. You have to fluff your ego and pad your post count. Keep it up troll.

Wow, this describes Korpg perfectly.

[Ravenmore]

I understand that karb but this is SE what seems simple does not mean they will do it that way. A easier way for them to get to the same goal would be remove avatars auto-attack altogether or break it and leave it till the next major update or not fix it. Though I was pointing out more how one side is calling the other a troll when they were doing the same. You disagree with him as well yet your not calling him out as a troll.

Its still not getting at the core problem of smn is they are not being invited for favors but are either brought along for just letting them play the job they want to or thier 2hour. Hate free damage is a way for them to have a use but so is watching hate in the first place. Thiers a bigger flaw in his arguement of topping off the blm they might not even want him to top them off. Since I would have to assume hes talking about outside of abyssea. The tools are there to make this a non-issue. That this is a minor problem in a game that is bleeding off players and thanks to SEs accountants is speeding up.

Pointing back to the last line of that post SE could see the aura buffs that Favors give having to stay off the top of the hate list could be the balance to its basicly free mp along with the reduced avatar attack while it only applies to slepted mobs. Its really one of those little fixs that people bash everytime these come up before major jobs adjustments.

[Korpg]

Tarage, I did not respond to you. You accuse me of following you, but you have to respond to me at every turn. Who is following who now?

You think that the developers are going to "fix" this "problem" that only 1 person out of 10,000 has, because the other 9,999 people don't have this "problem" because they know how to not make this a "problem," and you want it fixed because you can't learn to not have this "problem." Even though your "solution" will cause 7,500 people to lose their ability to solo because you can't learn to fix your "problem" yourself.

I'm not going to let you have your suggestion because it is not a problem. The real problem is you. You need to adapt to every situation if you really want to play this game, you can't ask for other people to fix your mistakes for you. Adding this "solution" will hurt us because it creates an idea to everyone that if you can't solve a problem yourself, you can cry about it on the forums until you can get it fixed. That is my problem. Noobs like you need to learn, not still become noobs for the rest of your life.

Also, trolls are generally people who cause problems with hateful words. The last, what, 15 posts or so you have replied to me, specifically, have been hateful posts towards me. Who is trolling who now?

[Draylo]

It's not about hating its just how well he summed it up. You have to come into every thread that people have opinions about and spout off how they are wrong for having them despite a good majority agreeing with them.

[Korpg]

It's not about hating its just how well he summed it up. You have to come into every thread that people have opinions about and spout off how they are wrong for having them despite a good majority agreeing with them.

No I don't. I see a lot of bad ideas on this forum, but generally the bad ideas don't take away a good thing from a job.

Tarage's idea takes away a basic ability that has helped more SMNs out than harmed them. Even his problem has a very simple solution to keep from being a problem. Why should he be allowed to not be criticized?

Our little discussion has revealed the main problem at hand: him. He is the problem, not his suggestion. Everyone also have agreed that not being on top of the hate list will keep the avatars from attacking the slept mobs, but he still goes on about his little problem because he is still the only one who is having this little problem. If everyone has told you the earth is round and you still state that the earth is flat, who is the one who is having the problem? Do you think that the consensus of many people have just as much weight on an argument as one person's argument?

[Byrth]

There you go again, assuming that taking away Avatar autoattack against sleeping monsters somehow matters at all for Summoner. It doesn't, so stop strawmanning like he asked SE to take away autoattack all together.

I agree with Draylo, which means this is another example of what he's describing.

[Darkwizardzin]

......Korpg I understand your fear of SE messing up the game because of game adjustments you don't like... but you need to realize this situation won't improve by following this guy through every thread and making a counter post to every post he does.

SE needs to deside whether this is a worthwhile change or not..... not you. You have made your case and so has he on this matter... so let it go and move on.


My opinion: the change is uneeded and (imo) would be hard for SE to do (also... would this only apply to slept? or would it exstend to bound and petrfiyed monsters?)... but it isn't hurtful at all to the game and im sure many smns would feel nice about not having to worry about there pets waking up slept monsters anymore due to hate changes.