Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Sasaraixx]

Think his complaint is more towards that SCH has 3, While there are still a good chunk of jobs that have no general updates.

WAR
MNK
RDM
WHM
BLM
PLD
BST
BRD
NIN
DRG
BLU
COR

Some of those jobs don't really have a lot of complaints (Then again i didnt think SCH was complaining much either :X) The Reps will get to other jobs when they have the info. I think waiting it out is good. This is by and far better than the old days!

There really isn't a viable complaint. Every job will be addressed. People just have no patience. And SCH has *a lot* of issues that need to be addressed. There are a few other jobs in the same boat and I'm sure that the dev team will get back to them. The process takes time.

And also, Part 1 of the SMN notes was just posted. I'll translate it this evening if it hasn't been posted by one of the English devs. I've spent the whole morning translating for work and my eyes are ready to fall out.

[Horadrim]

Think his complaint is more towards that SCH has 3, While there are still a good chunk of jobs that have no general updates.

WAR
MNK
RDM
WHM
BLM
PLD
BST
BRD
NIN
DRG
BLU
COR

Some of those jobs don't really have a lot of complaints (Then again i didnt think SCH was complaining much either :X) The Reps will get to other jobs when they have the info. I think waiting it out is good. This is by and far better than the old days!

While I would like to see EVERY job get good feedback and information, there's a simple explanation for this, and you can deduce it yourself.

Get online and /sea all each of the jobs listed above. All of the bolded jobs will have at LEAST twice the numbers of the unbolded jobs -- and they will likely be 10x the number of SCH/PUP/COR.

SCH, PUP and DRG have been getting replies lately because they are the bottom of the barrel. I seldom see more than 30 SCHs online at any time, barely 50 PUPs, and definitely less than 100 DRGs. Most other jobs blow those numbers out of the water because they still have -some- use.

I can't say anything about why COR hasn't gotten any feedback though -- First and foremost they sure as heck need to get higher level bullets from NPCs... Abyssea NPCs need to start selling pouches for cruor or something. (my brother just finished COR, so I've been trying to help him find stuff higher than level 22 with decent availability.)

I agree, was just trying to explain where he was coming from.

I know all we have to do is wait, and they'll get to us!

Might just be me, but I'd rather see the info in the update notes than on the forums.

[Tarumage]

I hear being a dick to the messenger always helps and makes them feel good.

You people have gotten 3 different updates, Visit other jobs forums who have gotten 0 and then come back and complain.

Some of the questions are derp but at least you're getting answers.

Getting responses to derp questions doesn't really help us out.

[Raksha]

I hear being a dick to the messenger always helps and makes them feel good.

You people have gotten 3 different updates, Visit other jobs forums who have gotten 0 and then come back and complain.

Some of the questions are derp but at least you're getting answers.

I wasnt being a dick to the messenger, I was critiquing the questions and answers. Where do you see me "Being a dick to the messengers"?


I assume the other jobs Q&A are cooking, but since I don't have any control over which question gets answered I can only respond to what's been released.

Like I said in the other thread, It's not my fault they wasted 3 posts worth of questions when they really only needed half of one.

[Karbuncle]

I wasnt being a dick to the messenger, I was critiquing the questions and answers. Where do you see me "Being a dick to the messengers"?

This part just seemed like you were implying they never ever give our responses to the devs:

First time for everything I guess.

In response to them "giving all the feedback" to the team. I could be reading you wrong, But it sounded like you accusing them of not doing their job. which is kinda being a dick, considering everything they do for us.

Getting responses to derp questions doesn't really help us out.

Like 2-3 of them were derp, out of about 20? Thats a good ratio considering the 0/0 that jobs like PLD, BRD, and WHM (to name a few) have gotten.... A lot of those questions hinted at new abilities/spells SCH would get...

I thought the info was good... left room to speculate but provided a lot.

not saying you can't facepalm about some of the very derp questions (Like say, RNG got one saying "I want 100% Rapid shot" which was WTF), just the comment i quoted above, if im reading it was, was incredibly unnecessary.

[Raksha]

This part just seemed like you were implying they never ever give our responses to the devs:



In response to them "giving all the feedback" to the team. I could be reading you wrong, But it sounded like you accusing them of not doing their job.

No, I was saying it's nice that the dev team is finally considering our suggestions, not that the mods weren't doing their jobs. I <3 the mods.

And seriously, maybe 5 of the questions over all 3 posts were things which people have actually wanted responses to.

I'll be the first person to say that SCH isn't all that bad off. And that PLD and others need way more work than we do.

[Karbuncle]

No, I was saying it's nice that the dev team is finally considering our suggestions, not that the mods weren't doing their jobs. I <3 the mods.

And seriously, maybe 5 of the questions over all 3 posts were things which I have actually wanted responses to.

I fixed the last part for you... They got the questions from somewhere so someone wanted them answered... If anyones to blame its the other languages/threads/forum-sections where they got these incredibly derp-rated questions from.

Either way, If thats the case, Obviously i retract my statement, When i read that last past it sounded like you were saying what i explained above.

I just see a lot of pointless bashing of Community reps around here, and that last one seemed off. Nothing more, continue your business then!

[Coldbrand]

I'd have to agree with the Scholars who think they should be the ones getting Ultima considering its non-elemental nature. Even if it has a huge recast, you need to put Ultima in this game. It's mandatory to meet the credentials of a true FF game.

[Airget]

<_< hope they actually take my idea on SCH into account it would actually give them unique support abilities that WHM and BLM don't have but I guess we'll wait and see what they decide to do with SCH lol. A 3 parter with SCH though honestly nothing really caught my eye overall with what they said, if they gave us more examples as to SCH specific spells that aren't 2hr related then perhaps they would've been more informative, but it does feel more like a wait and see response to each question lol.

Though I do agree I don't see SCH getting Cure V since WHM V VI is what makes them unique, you have to off-set unique abilities in certain ways.

SCH Idea

I wasn't going to post the above link however I do wonder if they actually looked at it. IMO I think this would support "In regards to support capability, we’re thinking more in the direction of adjustments that will differ from white mage."

The basic premise behind this idea is the ability to cast spells that can turn enfeebles into status enhancements as well as grant immunity to said enfeeble til the spell wears off. The limit is basically you can only have one type of this enhancement up at a time so you can't be hit with Bad Breath and have a SCH cast all the "backfire" spells on you to pump up your capabilities.

Then on the Flip-side with Elemental magic I figured why not create a unique shield that can absorb a specific magic type of damage. Basically you use a strategm that turns your next elemental spell into a player target which "hits" them and the damage that it would've been is now the elemental magic shield you have. The limit with that is you can only have 1 magic shield active at a time so it would mainly be useful against mobs that stick with one elemental magic rather then those that use multiple elements.

But ya, I hope they give us an actual taste of spells that they have in mind cause it is true,if you just improve regen it really won't do much for SCH unless you can buff it up to actually be viable in an HNM situation.

[Merton9999]

@SCH

Some encouraging general words about unique spells. As far as the specific info I'm just as confused as Raksha. I don't know where these requests are coming from, except the first one of course.

Cure V
I'm the first to vote for a Cure V equivalent unique to SCH in the best case scenario, but my concern at this point is over the testing window necessary to make it useful. SCH spent the last 15 levels getting underpowered unique spells and the only excuse I could make was that the potency was just being tested. Honestly, I'd rather they just added Cure V and got it over with than get stuck with another lemon.

If this Regen spell came with a Modus Veritas type ability that could be used frequently (1 minute) on party members to enhance potency and decrease duration of tick-based buffs (regain, refresh, regen, and make animus like this too), I'd be excited for a Regen V-X or whatever. Important: this version of MV shouldn't be allowed to miss >.>

Gravity and Auspice II
Was this accidentally copied from RDM and WHM? I seriously doubt these would appear on SCH only.

Decoy
This is really confusing. First, FFXII's Decoy was just someone else casting provoke on you. It didn't have anything to do with redirecting and canceling dispel moves. If that's what it does in XI though, it actually sounds pretty nice.

Storms and Magic Crit
Yes please, more use for storms, but I don't like the randomness in this suggestion either. It's still way too little compared to what I expected out of SCH's unique spell line by 99.

A spell that makes it so a player's pet can intimidate a monster
Although thankfully neither I nor anyone else on the English boards has ever mentioned this, I am still embarrassed by it.