More Jobs on Magian Weapons

[RAIST]

would be a good idea but i think sam should be able to get magian bows also sam can use relic bow why not be able to use an empyrian bow?

Agreed...just struck me as odd that they didn't use this model at the very least. The framework was already there, and provides a reasonable level of "exclusive" access to them. Could also stick a couple more jobs on sword too if you want to get a little more picky with it. But this SHOULD have been the initial framework, then maybe adjust it a little further.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

The jobs lists on items is a horribly outdated system though and you end up seeing things that jobs should be able to use, but can't or jobs on items that shouldn't have anything to do with them.
Say Oneiros Cappa for a very good example:
Lv.88 Back[All Races]
Def.14 VIT+5
Pet: Physical Damage Taken -3%.
WAR/MNK/RDM/THF/PLD/DRK/BST/BRD/RNG/SAM/NIN/DRG/BLU/COR/DNC
Now this is just one of SE's generic jobs sets that they arbitrarily placed on it and they do this with a lot of gear. Why would this be used on anything other then bst? Where's the pup? Where's the smn? I don't ever see drg pet tanking. There's been other gear where SE has proven they they can make up any combination of jobs sets that they feel like. Like drk placed on something that has the mages set only on it.

Long story short, you have to concider the jobs and not the generic jobs sets.

[RAIST]

hehehe... yeah.. one of my favorites is how they stick BLM on one family of swords. I should know better than try to make some sense of it, but some of the lists just annoy the **** out of me sometimes. How much they initially ignored PUP is one that really made me scratch my head--and I don't even have PUP unlocked.

[Kristal]

I don't get the impression that SE devs even play the game (at least the ones working on item stats):
Demonry Core [Rare]
(Ammo) All Races
DEX+4 Pet: Accuracy+4
Hidden effect:PUP:DEX+0
Hidden effect:Automaton:HP-40~60
Hidden effect:Automaton:MP-0~60
Hidden effect:Amnesia (Maneuver)
Lv. 88 MNK / RDM / THF / BST / RNG / NIN / DRG / COR / PUP / DNC

[Karbuncle]

I don't get the impression that SE devs even play the game (at least the ones working on item stats):
Demonry Core [Rare]
(Ammo) All Races
DEX+4 Pet: Accuracy+4
Hidden effect:PUPEX+0
Hidden effect:Automaton:HP-40~60
Hidden effect:Automaton:MP-0~60
Hidden effect:Amnesia (Maneuver)
Lv. 88 MNK / RDM / THF / BST / RNG / NIN / DRG / COR / PUP / DNC

Technically you could macro it in for a Weaponskill. As switching your Ammo does not cause you to lose TP, Even if it dequips a Ranged slot item like the Animator. When you re-quip your animator you will however lose the ~18TP from your Weaponskill. Probably not worth it.

Either way, They could simply make it to where switching animators won't make you lose TP (similar to how switching Instruments doesnt make you lose TP now)

[Kristal]

Technically you could macro it in for a Weaponskill. As switching your Ammo does not cause you to lose TP, Even if it dequips a Ranged slot item like the Animator. When you re-quip your animator you will however lose the ~18TP from your Weaponskill. Probably not worth it.

Animator+1 has DEX+4. Demonry Core has DEX+4. No point there.
So what you are replacing is Pet:HP+60 (when on Valoredge) for Pet:Accuracy+4, then have to Tactical Switch TP to maton, switch to Animator+1 and finally issue new maneuvers.

Honestly, ammo slot items should be equipable whatever the ranged slot holds, with the possible exception of actual ranged weapon + throwing ammo. (Otherwise it would be possible to dual equip ranged attacks by equiping a Boomerang in ranged and Shuriken in ammo.)

BRD could then use a Harp and an Orphic Egg, PUP Animator+1 and Demonry Core or even Animator+1 and Throwing Knives x99.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

These weapons have not existed for years.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

And you can't even equip it along with an animator...(Only oil can right?)