Collaborator/Accomplice range past update

[Karbuncle]

Totally, completely, shamelessly, absolutely, unabashedly wrong. Just today I used THF to feed Omega TP without doing damage to pop more pods. So there.

Used your Onion knife to maximize TP to Damage ration :O? (also i totally thought pods were on a Timer not a TP basis >_______________>)

(yes i got your sarcasm :P)

[Arcon]

Used your Onion knife to maximize TP to Damage ration :O?

Even with best knives THF doesn't really do damage. And sadly, this time I'm not joking.

(also i totally thought pods were on a Timer not a TP basis >_______________>)

Actually I have no idea, I wasn't even THF today. I was always a tank for Omega, so never had to watch for pods.

[Laphine]

Ugh, Sorry for the Mini rant -.-. I'm sure no one wanted to read it. I don't like being upset , THF is my favorite job and I'm quite compassionate about it. I always considered (wrongly it seems) THF to be the best Critical hit job... what with SA, TA, and naturally high DEX... then MNK gets JA like Impetus, and WAR gets Blood Rage, it just seems like the strong get stronger and THF remains as mediocre as it has been since day one.

I did enjoy reading it, after all, these are also my feelings. And i bet most of us here is feeling the same too.

And THF, the best critical hit job...this takes me back...When i first started playing i planned to be a RNG (out of one trash dump, fall into another lol). THF really got into to me back then and in such way that RNG stayed forever at lv40 lol. And i only took it to 40 because i like round numbers and i wanted wide scan on THF.

THF was never the best DD, some would even laugh when THF and DD was used in the same sentence. Now that i recognize it, seems to me that after 5 years playing the game, it was 5 years just waiting for an DD update for THF. Really heart crushing. Were did the fun go?

edit:Oh well, it wasn't all for nothing. I did make some friends along the way.

[Vagrua]

Clearly they just want people to stop playing THF.
Point is back in the real world Thief is a terrible job and its only use is TH, and I'm tired of that stupid useless crutch being used as an excuse to keep us mediocre. Treasure hunter is nice, yay, But its not so nice THF needs to remain a useless sack of sh*t in every other department.

THF still has the most evasion of any job and is a crazy evasion tank. With an evasion set on, barely anything ever touches me while putting shadows back up and I've soloed a bunch on THF/NIN in/outside abyssea. I've held Ironclads while SMNs unloaded blood pacts on it while doing ochain trials and they hit me maybe 1/20 times with evasion set on. I wouldn't say THF is so terrible as you make it out to be.

[Nebo]

THF still has the most evasion of any job and is a crazy evasion tank. With an evasion set on, barely anything ever touches me while putting shadows back up and I've soloed a bunch on THF/NIN in/outside abyssea. I've held Ironclads while SMNs unloaded blood pacts on it while doing ochain trials and they hit me maybe 1/20 times with evasion set on. I wouldn't say THF is so terrible as you make it out to be.

The thing here is, inside abyssea, this really amounts to nothing.

Practically any DD/Tank + WHM combo with half a brain = invincible. It is also not really a feat of tanking to hold a mob while SMN's spam hate free blood pacts.

I would be all for this reasoning if SE would give us something to use for tanking, but they do not want us tanking. Our core DD abilities were designed not to be very useful when tanking, conspirator doesn't work on the current hate target, etc.

Yes THF can evade and survive, but I don't think anyone would use it as a "tank" if not for TH.

[Urteil]

HELLO THIEVES.

I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO DARK KNIGHT LAND.


ENJOY YOUR STAY.

OHO-HO-OHOHO.

[Karbuncle]

HELLO THIEVES.

I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO DARK KNIGHT LAND.


ENJOY YOUR STAY.

OHO-HO-OHOHO.

(Read: i know for the most part you're not being 100% Srs about this, I can tell you're being light-hearted in it, so don't consider the below a rant/hatred at you)

At least DRK is getting some DD attention. And i'd go as far to say DRK is still rather powerful outside Abyssea, where content is currently going, where as THF is not (outside of Placebo Hunter). Not to mention the recent Last Resort update... Coupled with 5/5 desperate blows was a significant increase to a DRKs arsenal.

I admit DRK is far from epic/perfect/OP, but its also far, far from THF-Level-Uselessness. TH, while nice, I just never viewed is as good enough to keep THF so mediocre its only 1 single redeeming quality is TH.

I mean, I'd take a Job Ability with 25% Attack boost and 25% Delay reduction for 3 minutes out of 5 over Collaborator, Accomplice, and Conspirator combined

I don't know why SE is afraid to give THF any real DD capabilities to at least compete with the higher-DD, In other games/Fantasy's/MMOs, the "Rogue" Class was always an expert at spike damage and sneak attacks, as well as generally amazing in the DPS/DOT department.

in FFXI its a Loot-whore. Honestly if they renamed the job "Treasure Hunter" I think no on would care because we're not THFs, We're just TH-whores, and that doesn't sit well with me. We're almost falling into RDM Territory (of never being updated because apparently SE thinks we're fine as we are)

Does anyone remember years ago they were considering adding a bonus to Perfect Dodge that increases your damage if you were attacking from the behind with Perfect Dodge active? or any of the proposed DD updates for THF that apparently got trashed? I do. -.-

(Please note after about Paragraph 2 none of this rant was directed at you)

[Laphine]

We all know the job works inside abyssea. How about outside?

Evasion tank against ironclads? I thought aoe melee couldn't miss? Can't remember them missing anyway.

[Vagrua]

We all know the job works inside abyssea. How about outside?

Evasion tank against ironclads? I thought aoe melee couldn't miss? Can't remember them missing anyway.

THF is still pretty evasive outside and can solo reliably. Just takes more time than others, but it's worth it on most NMs if you're going after item drops with the TH addition. Only reason I wouldn't solo on THF outside abyssea is if a drop was 100%. Sure killing faster would be nice, but the TH addition for a better chance of item drops seems like way more to me and worth the time it takes to kill.

Ironclads can miss, its just normal DD/tanks will usually take all hits from them.

[Arcon]

Evasion tank against ironclads? I thought aoe melee couldn't miss? Can't remember them missing anyway.

Actually yes, they can. My THF survives on Ironclad for quite a while, if the need arises.

And yes, THF has superior evasion, and yes, THF does very well inside Abyssea (better than most). Outside is the problem, as usual. I can't see THF be in any decent situation that doesn't require TH.