Collaborator/Accomplice range past update

[Zirael]

Hi, I have just tried out Collaborator/Accomplice extended range, as promised by the latest version update and can’t see any difference. Is it working as intended? I was hoping not to have to chase after panicking mages anymore. Yet I still have to disengage and come over to mages, so… has it been done already or not yet?



Some random thoughts I had, not worth making separate thread:

While we’re at it, Dancer being now able (among all other job adjustments) to force critical weaponskill every 1.5min (plus 20% damage bonus form AF3+2 head, plus Skillchain bonus) makes me wonder where will Thief end up at the end of lv99 road either as damage dealer, treasure hunter (hello Dipper Yuly, Bounty shot and ‘proc’ system) and hate manipulator (this version update’s “extended range Collaborator/Accomplice” flop). As a side note – usefulness of Rudra’s Storm for Bard still remains very questionable.

Is Thief losing it’s identity by it’s defining traits being given away here and there? Will it still have any meaningful purpose in parties? Will it have any reasonable solo capabilities (can’t even use any bolts with Raider’s Boomerang equipped, Hide doesn’t work against sound detection, can’t SA-TA solo and Sleeping Bolts don’t work on anything meaningful, have to choose between shadows or waltzes)?

I’m a little worried for Thief not to share the attention/usefulness oblivion of Scholar, Dark Knight, Paladin or Red Mage, etc., judging by what we’ve been getting (Despoil being pretty much fail; Dual Wield II – well, at least I don’t have to main hand Thief Knife, it still gets overwritten by /nin tho; +8% Critical Damage – wow…; Conspirator – awesome for when your mages have to meele or people in your party are too cheap to use food, every 5min).

[Nebo]

Yeah, they only increased the range by 4 yalms. Which is some serious BS.

[Karbuncle]

Its like, from Uselessly short to just about as useless short.

I at least expected them to double the range... Due to server lag (w/e its called), I have to be up someones ass if i want to use it.

[Eeek]

Its like, from Uselessly short to just about as useless short.

I at least expected them to double the range... Due to server lag (w/e its called), I have to be up someones ass if i want to use it.

This.

The 'update' to Accomplice/Collaborator is absolutely ludicrous. A complete failure. To double the effect range was the bare minimum for an acceptable adjustment to these JAs. Increasing the effect range from ~8 yalms to ~12 yalms? That's a slap in the face.

SE, please stop trying to adjust THF. It's clear that no SE employee has even the slightest clue how to properly assess and update the job. Stop jerking our chains with these 'adjustments'. Just grant THF's TH Job Traits and TH Equipment to DNC and call it a day.

[Zirael]

SE, please stop trying to adjust THF. It's clear that no SE employee has even the slightest clue how to properly assess and update the job. Stop jerking our chains with these 'adjustments'. Just grant THF's TH Job Traits and TH Equipment to DNC and call it a day.

Dancer with TH and Triple Attack? I'll take it, where do I sign the form?

[Arcon]

Meh, should have checked here first. I expected to finally be able to Accollaborator the WHM standing behind the mob. How foolish of me.

[Laphine]

wow, 4 yalms...talk about disappointment...

and oh yeah, i do feel like we are losing our identity too.

Really, dnc has all dd tools thieves have been dreaming about since Vana'diel DAY 1 (acc bonus and dw), and now they get to force crits too...In 1 year dnc pretty much became everything that, at least i, wished thief was. I don't get why i'm so hard headed into loving thf so much, maybe it simply became a part of me after 5 years playing the game. If someone asked me why i love thf so much, i really wouldn't be able to answer. Whatever thing that captivated me back then, it's officially lost now, the job has no uniqueness to it anymore. Oh wait! we have steal/mug! JAs so great that if they suddenly vanished from the game we would cry for weeks and weeks, am i right?!

[Insaniac]

DNC has gotten so many buffs to tanking and DDing since it was introduced it's disgusting. DNC was introduced as a weird hybrid low man type job and no one cared to use it so SE tilted it to tanking and still no one wanted to use it so now they have super buffed it's DD ability and still no one really cares about it. I mean people like the job but I have never once heard anyone say OMG WE NEED A DNC!! On the other hand people always need THFs for the TH so SE doesn't see a problem. I'm holding my rage until I see how things stand at 99.

[Karbuncle]

Clearly they just want people to stop playing THF.

Or they really think THF's role in FFXI is good as is. I mean, Who doesn't love being a TH Whore, and only a TH whore? inside Abyssea sure, we can tank, but what job cant?. Fking WHM can tank in Abyssea.

inside Abyssea we can DD, but again see above, what job cant?

Point is back in the real world Thief is a terrible job and its only use is TH, and I'm tired of that stupid useless crutch being used as an excuse to keep us mediocre. Treasure hunter is nice, yay, But its not so nice THF needs to remain a useless sack of sh*t in every other department.

Give us something that makes it worth the time to melee? I dont want more Enmity control abilities, it won't help the job, Christ give them to PLD so at least they can be useless on a job that might get use of them. (Really, Would anyone complain if they renamed Coll/Acomp and gave it to PLD instead of THF, and instead gave us some great DD Abilities?)

I'm kinda fed up on all sides of the discussion. Idiots throwing around "You have TH" like its a viable excuse to make the job sucks, and SE being either too stupid, too blind, or just to scared to give THF Anything worthwhile to make it a more useful DD (while they pile on DNC's buffs).

I have to mirror Eeeks here, at this point they may as well just give DNC TH and delete THF as a job, We're completely useless outside of Treasure Hunter, and they actually added mobs that TH didn't effect at all (until just recently where TH 'help's your light level). If that pattern continues even TH will become worthless.


Ugh, Sorry for the Mini rant -.-. I'm sure no one wanted to read it. I don't like being upset , THF is my favorite job and I'm quite compassionate about it. I always considered (wrongly it seems) THF to be the best Critical hit job... what with SA, TA, and naturally high DEX... then MNK gets JA like Impetus, and WAR gets Blood Rage, it just seems like the strong get stronger and THF remains as mediocre as it has been since day one.

[Arcon]

Point is back in the real world Thief is a terrible job

Totally, completely, shamelessly, absolutely, unabashedly wrong. Just today I used THF to feed Omega TP without doing damage to pop more pods. So there.