DRK is good enough already...

[Jar]

I hope you don't take too much offense to this but seriously do you know how many times i have heard that and they didn't realize how far back they were. I mentioned before that I knew an apocalypse dark finished @75 telling me the same thing. I had stage 4 apocalypse at the time. We had the same buffs with 2 brds. I typically outparsed him in Ein or anywhere by 10-14%. He used the same logic. I am not saying you don't know what you are doing but to reply that you have that many relic/emps is of very little rebuttal against what people do know or can do if geared correctly.

math bro math

[Chriscoffey]

math bro math

The parse was the math bro math and the parse is listed on a site. That particular parse was about 2 years ago at the very least for the Ein run. When you can start talking to me about critical tiers and their functions at particular levels then maybe you are in my ballpark bud. I think that is the only way in which you can comprehend why war > drk even outside abyssesa.

[Jar]

about 2 years ago

2 year old data is irrelevant lol

[Chriscoffey]

2 year old data is irrelevant lol

It was quite relevant at the time and still applies to what my point is about people lacking a detailed understanding of gear sets and timing. Critical builds are still very much at the forefront of this entire conversation about war and dark which was just as relevant then as it is now. I can see you are stuck in a this mindset to believe your scenario is the end all be all for our discussion. I believe it's best we agree to disagree as you will never take into account anything I could possibly post.

[Jar]

It was quite relevant at the time and still applies to what my point is about people lacking a detailed understanding of gear sets and timing. Critical builds are still very much at the forefront of this entire conversation about war and dark which was just as relevant then as it is now. I can see you are stuck in a this mindset to believe your scenario is the end all be all for our discussion. I believe it's best we agree to disagree as you will never take into account anything I could possibly post.

yeah lets cut Last resorts HUGE buff out of the equation and war might win outside..


oh and l about Ddex values that almost every job will cap outside of abyssea on einherjar mobs with minor Gear changes.. i covered how Crital hits are done like a page ago. <3 if you want a quote i will



Im not outright saying lol HERP DERP DRK> WAR LULZ

im saying that the difference is almost nothing now and in most situations DRK will hold its own if not do better.

Now if you want to keep talking about information that is DOWN RIGHT FUCKING IRRELEVANT go for it.

[Dart]

............/facepalm

[Rezeak]

@Chris

I dunno whats ya point i mean u can keep saying ur wrong or w/e till the cows come home while i agree that some of the math jar presented is a lil flawed it does give a rough idea on how DRK and WAR will perform on AV and that is there both decent as for whats the best ??

Niether it's more about having as many viable DDs for AV as possible (meaning if ya have all WARs or all DRKs u should be able to kill AV)

The Math v parse arguement for zergs they both fail prolly for the same reason that zerg DMG is effected massivly by luck/lag and player skill (prolly a ton of sititional shit too)

Outside AV and abyssea DRK definity has the Edge on WAR because of how powerful Last resort is but that just my opinion.

Not to mention DRK is a the supeior stagger job in Dyna and VW

[Dart]

I haven't fought av since 75 and a few times at 80 cap. Mighty Strikes made war the clear cut winner back then. I'm not sure how much has changed since for av we were always getting SV'd marches. and cata/guillotine generally blowed chunks, and i don't see torcleaver standing a chance in hell against ukko's.

granted that's a fight heavily tilted in war's favor. the sv marches takes away one of drk's advantages, attack speed.

[Chriscoffey]

The problem is everyone in this entire subject matter is right and wrong based upon situations presented. I am saying the generalized idea is that me and taint are typically in an LS which uses efficiency killing jobs for all DD like brds/dncs/cors. Those jobs push DD to having capped attack and capped haste on just about anything without using any 2 hours. I know fully well a dark going in solo can do more than a warrior using LR.

I also know if both have equal buffs that war with uko. that is properly geared for criticals/DA rate will completely annihilate a dark with apocalypse and a bit less with cal. You are taking 1 mob in the entire game and saying well dark doesn't need updated due to a mob that having more attack in bracelet mode gives them the edge throughout the game. That type of thinking is asinine considering that we have came from 18 man alliance fights to what we have now where efficiency is not as desired.

[Dart]

huge difference between getting ghorn + af3+2 hand marches vs not getting them when you compare attack speed vs last resort. (To clarify i mean a normal bard vs top tier march aka ghorn + af3+2 hands). It really adds up over the long run which has been my point from the beginning. If you aren't getting that then drk pulls right up there again (caladbolg drk, apoc sucks still).

attack speed is everything, when its equal yea war destroys everything and i mean everything. It isn't even close.