emergency world maintenace already...........

[xbobx]

I see a lot of people defend SE but there is a test server, yet they never test their patches. It is the most standard thing to do when you change code is to test things. SE always lets obvious things go unnoticed until we play. Maybe they should cut the monthly rate by 50% on patch months since we have to do their patch testing for them.

Use your test servers morons, that is what they are there for.

[Dragoy]

I see a lot of people defend SE but there is a test server, yet they never test their patches. It is the most standard thing to do when you change code is to test things. SE always lets obvious things go unnoticed until we play. Maybe they should cut the monthly rate by 50% on patch months since we have to do their patch testing for them.

Use your test servers morons, that is what they are there for.

One might inquire what base you this statement on. I mean the one that they do not test things?

For one, the server can be seen on-line at times, and there is now a forum section telling you what they are currently testing even.

Seriously, those who keep telling SqEX what to do, if you're so confident you could do it better, oh, I say goferit! I do understand the frustration and annoyance over such inconveniences, but what do people imagine they could ever gain from plain rage against the machine... I just don't get it. :S


Luckily, I do not need to! \ö/

[Neisan_Quetz]

Checking cure damage on an undead mob is hardly what I would call first in line of things to test each and every update.

[Kraggy]

Checking cure damage on an undead mob is hardly what I would call first in line of things to test each and every update.

In professional software development it's called regression testing, SE could perhaps learn about it.

[Neisan_Quetz]

In professional software development it's called regression testing, SE could perhaps learn about it.

You forgot to mention the regression testing is (most likely) automated and during throrough regression testing is costly as they have to run the entire gauntlet of test cases previously run against the system.

[xbobx]

You want proof? When they added level sync automations would disappear when you sync. So they had a specific patch to fix the problem. Servers came up. Level sync, automation disappeared. Later they patched it again, in patch notes it said to fix problem with automations disappearing when you level sync.
After patch, level sycn, automations disappeared.

Now if you did a specific patch to fix that problem, wouldn't you go onto test server, get a puppet, and another job, and level sync. That had to be one of the easiest patch tests. So they didn't just no test it once, they didn't test it twice.

So no, They do not test their patches, we have seen this over the past 10 years, very obvious things that woudl have took seconds to test directly related to the patch they have implemented and would have pointed out issues. I can't see how anyone can think they properly test their patches. How ignorant are some of you?
And the argument that if you think you can do better, then go ahead. That is such a dumb argument. These guys are programmers, it is their job, of course I couldn't do it, because I am an accountant. But I am expected to balance the books, if don't do my job I don't have a job. Most if not every programmer will tell you that testing is standard. You never release live code without testing it, if you do, you find yourself looking for another job.
Se keeps doing this, why? Because their fanboys keep letting them get away with it. maybe if some of you take your heads of of your butt and say it is not acceptable, maybe they would properly test.
And don't say they are short in staff so they can't give the same quality of service, because if this is true, then we shouldn't be paying for the same quality of service we got 8 years ago. We should pay for what we get, if they are runnign a skeleton crew with no intention of putting in any real effort then the monthly fee should be dropped to 6.99

[Dragoy]

You want proof? When they added level sync automations would disappear when you sync. So they had a specific patch to fix the problem. Servers came up. Level sync, automation disappeared. Later they patched it again, in patch notes it said to fix problem with automations disappearing when you level sync.
After patch, level sycn, automations disappeared.

Now if you did a specific patch to fix that problem, wouldn't you go onto test server, get a puppet, and another job, and level sync. That had to be one of the easiest patch tests. So they didn't just no test it once, they didn't test it twice.

So no, They do not test their patches, we have seen this over the past 10 years, very obvious things that woudl have took seconds to test directly related to the patch they have implemented and would have pointed out issues. I can't see how anyone can think they properly test their patches. How ignorant are some of you?

Things don't always work exactly as you intend them to, even if you try them with a test-environment, unexpected things happen when you toss it all together, human-errors happen, and so on and on.

I just can't see it not happening. It would be amazingly ludicrous to implement new code without any testing, absolute terror even! Just like you say: "You never release live code without testing it, if you do, you find yourself looking for another job."
Obviously I can't say for sure since I do not work for them, so my guess is as good as yours is in the end, and I don't think I am being any more ignorant than you are.

And the argument that if you think you can do better, then go ahead. That is such a dumb argument.

Never meant that as an argument, don't take it so seriously. ^^;

And don't say they are short in staff so they can't give the same quality of service, because if this is true, then we shouldn't be paying for the same quality of service we got 8 years ago. We should pay for what we get, if they are runnign a skeleton crew with no intention of putting in any real effort then the monthly fee should be dropped to 6.99

OK I wont say that, but I will say that you should not pay them at all, if you really are so utterly disappointed. I hope you're at least enjoying the game, when you are able to play it.
I would certainly enjoy a lower price, but would we still be able to receive the service we do now. Now there's a thought, no?


I thank thee for elaborating!

[Nawesemo]

Wait s minute, your suggesting they write the code and push it out with out testing to se
e if the code worked? Hummmmmm.

[Korpg]

anyone noticed that before the e-maint mobs, when stunned while using a TP move, would still have TP?

I have since noticed that they fixed that too since the e-maint.

[OMEGA_HACK]

well the COR update is bad considering they opened the floor to suggestions and stated they wanted "The XI effect to give a bonus to COR and his party members" If you look back on those threads there were plenty of reasonable suggestions that far out par what they just did to the job, not to mention this really don't give a bonus to the other party members at all, meaning they still won't be wanted for anything other than Wildfire brews.

And I put the 'wanted' like so because I still find them very useful, but for some reason a lot of people say the job is worthless and that NIN/DNC/THF > PLD (which isn't true at all)

And yeah this was a pretty pathetic update, waste of resources and time if you ask me, oh and what's with the SAM ability that clearly rips off Dancers everywhere? Good job SE...