Was my leader wrong to do this?

[Nawesemo]

I dunno, I guess it just boils down to what kind of player you are, I've seen some pretty aweful GREAT players on jobs that are not their mains in exp parties, I've also seen players that refuse to let themselves be that GREAT aweful player, and skill and gear as well as their wallets and time will allow for the jobs before they exp on them.

There are those that 1/2 the effort, and 1/2 the gear gets them by and there is nothing wrong with that if that's how they roll and the can get by like that.. becuase lets face it we were all there at one point. but.. if you can't pull your weight by putting in the time to be able to pull your weight... ... ya know?

I think this is more along the lines of "I didn't get the 20 levels I wanted and only got 2" and being pissed about it.

My point in my comment above was.... would a friend really be all that worked up over a bit of free experience in an exp party ( becuase they did get "some") that as far as they knew .. broke becuase other people wanted to go do vnm and apparently they themselves didn't?

[Glamdring]

your alliance leader was an ass IF he didn't inform the other group that he intended to bail before he started. If he did, then yes, perfectly cool. There is nothing wrong with grouping with other players to farm your lights. Sure you can do it solo, and some jobs do it quite well. but if an alliance can get a group capped and 300+ minutes of time in 30 minutes why wouldn't you? You just need to have the understanding going in that that IS the plan.

[Glamdring]

GG, I think the bitch is that they then have to refill those slots, thus rebuilding the party, wasting time and possibly having to replace members with new peeps--that DON'T have their lights done, meaning they just "wasted" the time they spent capping. Granted, if they had agreed to the arrangement in the 1st place they didn't lose anything, but the difference is that they would have built their smaller "remainder group" with the loss of the VNM hunters already planned for. So if the only healer, etc. was in the VNM group they would have brought someone to fill that pt slot. It's not a biggie, and a standard pt is plenty capable of XPing in aby, even if they are Atma/gear/abyssite deficient, but if they thought the PLAN was that the entire alliance was an XP pt, then they have a legitimate gripe.

[Greatguardian]

If it was honestly difficult for the leader to replace those slots in the field, then they would have just sat in Jeuno for another hour anyways. They lost absolutely nothing. It just boils down to leaders (and randoms in general) being extremely lazy.

There is absolutely no need for a full 18 in an EXP alliance. One half-decent DD with 2 atmas and gear that isn't total asscrap can outdamage 17 of your average EXP party patrons combined. I really have absolutely zero pity for groups that are so inept as to require a full 18 to function.

[geekgirl101]

I think I ended up being the only whm in the entire alliance. They had one in one of the other 2 groups, but at some point the guy left and I don't think there was another healer as I heard them screaming for heals at one point. I reckon the frustration of not having any more healers at their side of the map and me leaving added to the drama which is probably why she took it out on me, not only having been her friend but having left her without any healers to efficiently farm xp and feeling let down because she expected us to be there for the same reason she was.

[Ravenmore]

Still not your problem, she still invested no effort in the forming of the alli to start with. I find it hard to think that there wasn't at least one other person in the party that was /rdm or /whm.

It really goes back to a real friend would of laughed it off and if the party did fall apart geuss what head back to jeuno and wait the what 5 mins till the next exp shout. Its not like the old days when the brd would fake DC only to come back as soon as you disband if your not getting 25k a hour, or the JP only brds, rdms of the old bird camp days.

[Nawesemo]

Its not like the old days when the brd would fake DC only to come back as so as you disband if your not getting 25k a hour, or the JP only brds, rdms of the old bird camp days.

huh!? WTF...er.. o that's right, I was still blowing up bst pets in Bibiki bay for 5k exp/hr.... /cry

[Ravenmore]

huh!? WTF...er.. o that's right, I was still blowing up bst pets in Bibiki bay for 5k exp/hr.... /cry

What no pudding face <^.^>

[Dieth]

Hi! I'm the guy who did "/p thx for the time & lights" "/acmd leave" to make all this happen.
Here's a recap of what happened or atleast my side.

I asked the Valfore the alliance lead for a 6 man party spot in his Exp group that he was shouting about. I said we'd farm azure & pearl, and TE and then break off.

He then invited me to the Alliance.

At the maw about 2-3 minutes before we entered this was roughly the party chat.

Sonkei: back
Dieth: WAR90/NIN45
Dieth: come nin/war for full red
Valfore: what do you need red for?
Dieth: after lights & TE built my pt will break off to farm Briareus
Sonkei: otw NIN
Valfore: ok

my pt NINx2 WHM WAR BRD BLM other parties are Random AFK melees atleast 2 WHM and a RDM.

NINx2 & WHM went to farm VNM for upgrades & pearl
BLM went to farm Azure, unsure of if they went to VNM group or worm party after
WAR & BRD(this is both me) Went to Worms, with the main alliance

After the party starts up a random Goldbox appears with briareus giant NMs pop items not KI.

Valfore: you should lot that if you're gonna farm the briareus NMs
Dieth: was just gonna ask

I proceed to lot uncontested on all 3 on Briareus giant pops w/o being questioned by anyone.

During this time, I believe the two WHM and RDM I mentioned from the beginning left, or went AFK. There was a BLM and my BRD left over trying to cure this alliance. Suffice to say, there was death everywhere.

Later, the original Ally leader has left now.

Dieth: going to cleave frogs for TE then leaving
Gaia******: ok
*(please post if you wish to be further associated with this mess!!)

Went to frogs w/ about 160minutes, cleaved up to ~340 minutes, then well, you know what happened from there.

To Pipps I'm so, so, very sorry.

[geekgirl101]

Hey it's no problem Dieth, wasn't your fault. There was just some pretty bad misinformings and she overreacted badly. I just had to ask though...just to make sure what we did wasn't so wrong for her to react like that in a hopes to rebuild that friendship.