Was my leader wrong to do this?

[geekgirl101]

is it that hard to cap your own lights?

Not really, but we were kinda doing a favour for them and vice versa by capping lights pretty quickly than doing it in a smaller team. We got our azures pretty quickly for TE's, they got their azures pretty quickly for TE's. Means more time for them capping gold for xp and more time for us spent hunting VNMs. Sort of a win/win situation for all of us, however it meant they would then be 6 people short. It was unfortunate there was miscommunication so that they'd be prepared for our departure with a backup plan to fill in where we left off. I think had my party leader spoken directly to the new alliance leader about the arrangement to make sure she was completely aware of what was arranged rather than some random guy saying "ok" when he double-checked what we were going to do then it could've avoided this whole drama.

I'm satisfied now in knowing that what we did wasn't wrong. I had my concerns at the beginning but now I'm more comfy about it. I've lost a friend for no good reason, and now we're on each others' blacklist as a result of her being too angry and unreasonable.

[Greatguardian]

You don't need an alliance to farm lights... what this amounts to is the EXP group was being used and abused.

Abused how? It's free lights in exchange for free kills for a while. Any group hunting VNMs is likely to be light years ahead of your average Aurorexp alliance, so it's not like they aren't contributing anything. And how are they hurting the EXP group exactly? Leaving after they've made the exchange? So what?

There are only two possible situations occurring after they leave:
1) The VNM group left, leaving a gap in the Alliance that the leader was unable to fill. In this case, how likely was it that the same gap would have been filled had the VNM group not been there in the first place? Considering the original setup was made with a leader who knew they would be leaving, it is not as if the only white mages left with the VNM group or something equally ridiculous. If they are 12/18 after the VNM group left and are unable to fill those slots, they would have been 12/18 sitting in Jeuno anyways.

2) The VNM group was using slots that could have been used for contributing EXP members. In which case, as soon as the VNM group left, those members could take the slots and everyone would be happy.

I really don't see an issue here. Could the VNM group have farmed lights on their own? Sure. Is it more convenient to team up with people for light generation in Abyssea? Always. It just is. Does that mean the group was "abused" in this case? No way. They lost absolutely nothing. There was no opportunity cost that they gave up and couldn't immediately recuperate if it did in fact exist. They did not receive fewer lights because they teamed up.

Was the benefit mutual? Yes. Was the exchange more beneficial to one party than another? Sure, you could make that case. But were there any negative effects on the EXP alliance? No way. Instead of grabbing 6 more people from Jeuno, the Alliance lead had to do so from Abyssea while actively gaining EXP. If anything, that's a boon. The EXP alliance lost absolutely nothing, either directly or indirectly, from the exchange. The leader was simply bitter and lazy.

Edit: Hell, most EXP alliances I've watched have been utterly incompetent and unable to even cap their own Azure lights. If the VNM group helped them cap Azure, they did them a monumental favor.

[Glamdring]

GG, I think the bitch is that they then have to refill those slots, thus rebuilding the party, wasting time and possibly having to replace members with new peeps--that DON'T have their lights done, meaning they just "wasted" the time they spent capping. Granted, if they had agreed to the arrangement in the 1st place they didn't lose anything, but the difference is that they would have built their smaller "remainder group" with the loss of the VNM hunters already planned for. So if the only healer, etc. was in the VNM group they would have brought someone to fill that pt slot. It's not a biggie, and a standard pt is plenty capable of XPing in aby, even if they are Atma/gear/abyssite deficient, but if they thought the PLAN was that the entire alliance was an XP pt, then they have a legitimate gripe.

[Greatguardian]

If it was honestly difficult for the leader to replace those slots in the field, then they would have just sat in Jeuno for another hour anyways. They lost absolutely nothing. It just boils down to leaders (and randoms in general) being extremely lazy.

There is absolutely no need for a full 18 in an EXP alliance. One half-decent DD with 2 atmas and gear that isn't total asscrap can outdamage 17 of your average EXP party patrons combined. I really have absolutely zero pity for groups that are so inept as to require a full 18 to function.

[geekgirl101]

I think I ended up being the only whm in the entire alliance. They had one in one of the other 2 groups, but at some point the guy left and I don't think there was another healer as I heard them screaming for heals at one point. I reckon the frustration of not having any more healers at their side of the map and me leaving added to the drama which is probably why she took it out on me, not only having been her friend but having left her without any healers to efficiently farm xp and feeling let down because she expected us to be there for the same reason she was.

[Ravenmore]

Still not your problem, she still invested no effort in the forming of the alli to start with. I find it hard to think that there wasn't at least one other person in the party that was /rdm or /whm.

It really goes back to a real friend would of laughed it off and if the party did fall apart geuss what head back to jeuno and wait the what 5 mins till the next exp shout. Its not like the old days when the brd would fake DC only to come back as soon as you disband if your not getting 25k a hour, or the JP only brds, rdms of the old bird camp days.

[Nawesemo]

Its not like the old days when the brd would fake DC only to come back as so as you disband if your not getting 25k a hour, or the JP only brds, rdms of the old bird camp days.

huh!? WTF...er.. o that's right, I was still blowing up bst pets in Bibiki bay for 5k exp/hr.... /cry

[Ravenmore]

huh!? WTF...er.. o that's right, I was still blowing up bst pets in Bibiki bay for 5k exp/hr.... /cry

What no pudding face <^.^>

[Dieth]

Hi! I'm the guy who did "/p thx for the time & lights" "/acmd leave" to make all this happen.
Here's a recap of what happened or atleast my side.

I asked the Valfore the alliance lead for a 6 man party spot in his Exp group that he was shouting about. I said we'd farm azure & pearl, and TE and then break off.

He then invited me to the Alliance.

At the maw about 2-3 minutes before we entered this was roughly the party chat.

Sonkei: back
Dieth: WAR90/NIN45
Dieth: come nin/war for full red
Valfore: what do you need red for?
Dieth: after lights & TE built my pt will break off to farm Briareus
Sonkei: otw NIN
Valfore: ok

my pt NINx2 WHM WAR BRD BLM other parties are Random AFK melees atleast 2 WHM and a RDM.

NINx2 & WHM went to farm VNM for upgrades & pearl
BLM went to farm Azure, unsure of if they went to VNM group or worm party after
WAR & BRD(this is both me) Went to Worms, with the main alliance

After the party starts up a random Goldbox appears with briareus giant NMs pop items not KI.

Valfore: you should lot that if you're gonna farm the briareus NMs
Dieth: was just gonna ask

I proceed to lot uncontested on all 3 on Briareus giant pops w/o being questioned by anyone.

During this time, I believe the two WHM and RDM I mentioned from the beginning left, or went AFK. There was a BLM and my BRD left over trying to cure this alliance. Suffice to say, there was death everywhere.

Later, the original Ally leader has left now.

Dieth: going to cleave frogs for TE then leaving
Gaia******: ok
*(please post if you wish to be further associated with this mess!!)

Went to frogs w/ about 160minutes, cleaved up to ~340 minutes, then well, you know what happened from there.

To Pipps I'm so, so, very sorry.

[geekgirl101]

Hey it's no problem Dieth, wasn't your fault. There was just some pretty bad misinformings and she overreacted badly. I just had to ask though...just to make sure what we did wasn't so wrong for her to react like that in a hopes to rebuild that friendship.