AF3 +3

[Zyeriis]

AFAIK, there is not a single piece of relic nor af that is "good" in the sense you could idle in it. Sure some pieces are obviously good macro pieces, but you wouldn't TP in them.

If we're talking idling theres a few.

Head:
Duelist's Chapeau (Refresh)
Scholar's Mortarboard (Until Sublimination is Full)

Body:
Ninja Chainmail (Dual Wield)
Sorcerer's Coat (for Refresh, unsure what the #/tick is but it's at least comparable to Goetia Coat +1, which is 1mp/tick, for idling)
Argute Gown (At least until sublimination is full, after that better off with savant's gown +2)
Cleric's Briault (same reasoning as Sorcerer's Coat)

Hands:
Pantin Dastanas (While Cirque Guanti have Haste+4% and these only have +3%, these also give the automaton +3% haste, benefiting both the player and the puppet, thus would rather idle in these)
Koga Tekko (Only at night, for the haste+4%)

Feet:
Assassin's Poulaines (Triple Attack though full Raider's +2 set effect would be much better)
Summoner's Pigaches (Increased avatar attack over Caller's Pigaches' avatar magic accuracy plus depending)

I excluded a lot of things for various reasons such as: better non-AF/RLC/EMP Gear (despite particular AF or RLC pieces being better to idle in than the EMP pieces, they were excluded because there are better pieces in general for idling in), tough calls (usually between RLC and EMP as to which would be better to idle in being close but different stat wise), and instances where all 3 types of armor for a specific slot were all macro pieces.

[Dragoy]

Yes, let's all spend our time typing out the entire names.

The rest of us here on earth can say AF1 (Artifact) AF2 (Relic) and AF3 (Empyrean).

Burden other people because you can't be bothered to blend in

Hmmm, there is a short version in the end.
If you're short on time... ^^


Do pardon me, good sir, dear all.

In no way did I even imagine the wants of inflicting any sort of a burden over you, or anyone else. And in no way I want to waste anyone's precious time in any way! It was a mere thought for the original post describing the suggestion. Do you actually mean to say that there is a downside in calling them with their in-game names, especially in a thread likely aimed towards the developers more or less which should (in my opinion) be laid well out without thinking of the time spent into typing it?

You, and anyone else are allowed to call them flowerpots 1, 7, and 6 for all I care. :]
I never tell anyone that calling them what you call them is wrong or that they should call them what I call them, no. I did not mean it like that.
Years ago, I mainly did not like to think them that way because there are the +1 versions. That is to say, 'AF2' or more likely 'AFv2' made me think of AF+1 more than the relics. But later on, to this day, I just prefer the official terminology over 'slang'.

But, as I said, that's me. I'm not asking you, or anyone else to do anything! It was just a suggestion, a thought, an opinion if you will.

And yes, where I come from, it does not blend.


And here is the promised short version: I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, wasted your time, or even seemingly was asking for you to waste your time, it was truly not intentional. I will, however, continue calling them what I want to and you call them what you want to, okay? ^^

[Urat]

Valid gear

Now does the +1 versions of those gear pieces increase the refresh rates, haste, and etc?

That's my point. SE makes the +1 versions of relics and AFs improve the stats we don't care about, and the stats we equip it for are still the same.

[Zyeriis]

Now does the +1 versions of those gear pieces increase the refresh rates, haste, and etc?

That's my point. SE makes the +1 versions of relics and AFs improve the stats we don't care about, and the stats we equip it for are still the same.

Ninja Chainmail +1 is the only one that at least gets something decent in terms of an idling upgrade that I can think of. It gets dex+5 and blaze spikes upgraded to shock spikes, though the dual wield doesn't get improved.

I've asked for at least AF +2 versions in the past. My idea regarding that is to tie them to Einherjar. Why? Well, the event is dead basically for starters. However, there's some logic behind that idea as to why it should be Einherjar specifically. Limbus is where you get the +1 upgrade items. Limbus is handled by Sagheera (female elvaan). Einherjar is handled by Kilusha (female elvaan). Sagheera sends your artifact armor to the east (Aht Urhgan continent) to be upgraded. Kilusha is in the east (Aht Urhgan continent).

Why bring this up? I don't want EMP+3 gear until we get AF+2 and RLC+2, there's already enough imbalance as is.

[Kimble]

Imbalance in what?

[Zyeriis]

Imbalance in what?

Armor tiers?

Right now...
NQ: AF, RLC, EMP
HQ(+1): AF, RLC, EMP
HQ(+2): EMP

What is being asked for...
NQ: AF, RLC, EMP
HQ(+1): AF, RLC, EMP
HQ(+2): EMP
HQ(+3): EMP

What should happen first...
NQ: AF, RLC, EMP
HQ(+1): AF, RLC, EMP
HQ(+2): AF, RLC, EMP

[Kimble]

Well like pointed out, +2 AF and Relic would only be useful if it increased the JA/refresh on the items in question. If its just more +3 CHR etc, wont really matter.

[Zyeriis]

Well like pointed out, +2 AF and Relic would only be useful if it increased the JA/refresh on the items in question. If its just more +3 CHR etc, wont really matter.

No argument there. Though they could add other JA/JT/regain/refresh/haste stats to them as well, instead of just slightly boosting the current ones.

[wish12oz]

AFAIK, there is not a single piece of relic nor af that is "good" in the sense you could idle in it. Sure some pieces are obviously good macro pieces, but you wouldn't TP in them.

RDMs idle in relic hat, NIN TPs in AF1 body a lot(best inside abyssea), and (at night) uses AF2 gloves over dusk+1. So um......... you wrong. Thats just teh jobs I play and know about though, might not actually be more then that =3

[Dragoy]

My NIN, RDM, SAM...THF... etc. all tend to idle in a Jester's hat or a Dream hat +1, and maybe a Mythril Musketeer livery for the body warmth.

I actually fight a lot in such equipment as well, now that I think about it.
Just because I can!
Or maybe to bee different?
Bzzzz...