AF3 +3

[Urat]

I'm predicting Af3+3 from levels 91-99. Probably drops required to finish it will be voidwatch related or something.

I would like to see +2 sets of AF1 and AF2 though. Some pieces of AF are still good macro pieces. I know I still keep 4/5 of my artifact set on my for my various macros, and 4/5 of the relic set is also good for macroing. Not sure about other jobs though, some bard pieces are decent.

However what I see is many +1 artifacts and relics don't have a notable boost to their main augment, and instead have an extra couple defense, str, dex, mnd, or whatever. If Etoile Tiara +1 had waltz potency +10% on the other hands, that'd make it SUBSTANTIALLY better as a macro piece.

Instead, it gets +1 def, +1 str, and +2 att. Thats a helluva lot of work for such a measly increase in stats.

If SE either increased the JA/spell augments of Relics/AFs, OR provided us with a +2 piece of them that enhanced the stats, then it may actually be worthwhile.

Otherwise, 99% of AF and relics are pretty much useless to upgrade, since they're merely a piece to macro in for their augment applied to their spell/ability.

[Habiki]

I'm predicting Af3+3 from levels 91-99. Probably drops required to finish it will be voidwatch related or something.

I would like to see +2 sets of AF1 and AF2 though. Some pieces of AF are still good macro pieces. I know I still keep 4/5 of my artifact set on my for my various macros, and 4/5 of the relic set is also good for macroing. Not sure about other jobs though, some bard pieces are decent.

However what I see is many +1 artifacts and relics don't have a notable boost to their main augment, and instead have an extra couple defense, str, dex, mnd, or whatever. If Etoile Tiara +1 had waltz potency +10% on the other hands, that'd make it SUBSTANTIALLY better as a macro piece.

Instead, it gets +1 def, +1 str, and +2 att. Thats a helluva lot of work for such a measly increase in stats.

If SE either increased the JA/spell augments of Relics/AFs, OR provided us with a +2 piece of them that enhanced the stats, then it may actually be worthwhile.


Otherwise, 99% of AF and relics are pretty much useless to upgrade, since they're merely a piece to macro in for their augment applied to their spell/ability.

Well when you compare empyrean armor to artifact or relic armor, you'll notice the +1 pieces are comparable to empyrean +1 armor. If AF or relic was junk to begin with like empyrean armor then there would be reason to complain over their minimal upgrades. If they made +2 pieces for AF + relic and they followed the same upgrade style as emp armor +1 to +2 you'd have some very nice pieces all with potential set procs.

[Kavik]

AF +1 have really good stat increases or as most of them were, changes that allowed them to be really nice (changing vit to mind on whm etc), relic.... not so much. Just increases a stat here or there and raises the lvl by 2-3, meh mediocre at best. In regards to +3 gear, we'll see, i'm sure SE has something random and probably time consuming to get us to the 99 gears.

[Alhanelem]

I'm not so sure we'll be getting Empyrean Armor +3 (not ArtiFact armor, or AF, +3). If we do, i'm going to wager it will be 95~99.

If you really want to use a generic term, use Tier X. At least that's not ambiguous with the line of artifact armor quests which are also often referred to as AF#.

[Tagrineth]

I'm not so sure we'll be getting Empyrean Armor +3 (not ArtiFact armor, or AF, +3). If we do, i'm going to wager it will be 95~99.

If you really want to use a generic term, use Tier X. At least that's not ambiguous with the line of artifact armor quests which are also often referred to as AF#.

What, you mean the line of quests nobody really has any reason to ask about anymore ever so there's no point in discussing the obsolescent terminology? derp.

[Ohji_Lunartail]

Alot of relic and artifact gear is invaluable still ie: Temple Cyclas, Melee gloves, Melee gaiters so trading in pieces like this without getting em back alot of people I kno personally , myself included whould never trade em in .

[Alhanelem]

Is there a function that allows you to automatically add anyone to your block list that says "derp" ?

Also, as above, newer players will still be interested in the story, and certain pieces of artifact and relic gear are still worth having.

[Urat]

AFAIK, there is not a single piece of relic nor af that is "good" in the sense you could idle in it. Sure some pieces are obviously good macro pieces, but you wouldn't TP in them.

So if SE made the +1 versions of the af further increase their augment on whatever spell/ability the change, then af+1 would be worthwhile.

Otherwise, +1 def/str/dex on a piece of gear I wear for a split second to make my sambas last 30 seconds longer is trash and a pointless upgrade.

But if the +1 also made my sambas last 45 seconds longer instead of 30, suddenly it would actually be worth my time getting.

Otherwise, I don't think any piece of AF or relic that augments a JA/spell gets a further increase in its augment's potency when you upgrade it to +1 version. Just gets more def and stats added on. Which is useless 90% of the time on macro pieces. Sure mnd+ on a cure potency macro piece is good though.

[Tagrineth]

Is there a function that allows you to automatically add anyone to your block list that says "derp" ?

I think this one qualifies for a "U mad, bro?"

I'm just poking fun, don't take me too seriously.

Also, as above, newer players will still be interested in the story, and certain pieces of artifact and relic gear are still worth having.

No, I agree. But for the majority of players (lamentable, I know...) the simple terminology is more readily applied to the more commonly sought after gear... which is Empyrean armour.

AFAIK, there is not a single piece of relic nor af that is "good" in the sense you could idle in it.

NIN body comes to mind, but it's one of the very few.

[Supersun]

Excluding all the mage pieces with refresh on them I'm assuming.