AF3 +3

[Dragoy]

Yes, let's all spend our time typing out the entire names.

The rest of us here on earth can say AF1 (Artifact) AF2 (Relic) and AF3 (Empyrean).

Burden other people because you can't be bothered to blend in

Hmmm, there is a short version in the end.
If you're short on time... ^^


Do pardon me, good sir, dear all.

In no way did I even imagine the wants of inflicting any sort of a burden over you, or anyone else. And in no way I want to waste anyone's precious time in any way! It was a mere thought for the original post describing the suggestion. Do you actually mean to say that there is a downside in calling them with their in-game names, especially in a thread likely aimed towards the developers more or less which should (in my opinion) be laid well out without thinking of the time spent into typing it?

You, and anyone else are allowed to call them flowerpots 1, 7, and 6 for all I care. :]
I never tell anyone that calling them what you call them is wrong or that they should call them what I call them, no. I did not mean it like that.
Years ago, I mainly did not like to think them that way because there are the +1 versions. That is to say, 'AF2' or more likely 'AFv2' made me think of AF+1 more than the relics. But later on, to this day, I just prefer the official terminology over 'slang'.

But, as I said, that's me. I'm not asking you, or anyone else to do anything! It was just a suggestion, a thought, an opinion if you will.

And yes, where I come from, it does not blend.


And here is the promised short version: I'm sorry if I offended you in any way, wasted your time, or even seemingly was asking for you to waste your time, it was truly not intentional. I will, however, continue calling them what I want to and you call them what you want to, okay? ^^

[Malacite]

Speaking of Unkai, now I can't help but wonder how the double damage on Zanshin is going to interact with the upcoming changes to Hasso...

That's probably a topic for the SAM forum though.

[Covenant]

Even though I've already posted this idea I'll repeat MY idea. The idea of "empryean +3" or "AF 4(lvl90-99) rather than simply be a magian trial can incorporate ALL the old gear to include AF, AF +1, relic, salvage, empryean etc. The final Job specific gear sets I'll name "Absolute Virtue gear" in honor of that prick of a NM.

There would be only 2 path sets per job of "absolute virtue gear". The regular path(ie easy path) would require that players trade in regular AF+1(Artifact), AF2+1(relics), AF3+1(emperyean +1), plus rare/ex items(small amount, no 50 items from Ultimate virtue) to receive the "Absolute Virtue gear" via Magian trials.

The second path, the "elite" path recognizes those players which traverse all of the endgame content. Players would trade in Salvage sets, nyzul set, einejhar set, and emperyean +2's, and rare/ex item(small amount) to magian moogle to receive the elite "Absolute Virtue gear+1".

As far as the ex/rare item, really only need 1 per gear piece from fighting the new "Ultimate Virtue~Maat". A new BCNM feature Maat(reskinned to look like a "crystalline Fomor") plus his trusty magian helper. Maat would be your job and the moogle would mimic your sub job. The fight would be a level 95 BCNM that gives players not only the Rare/ex item but serves as the cap breaking quest.

My two tier approach satisfies both the easy going player and the elite minded players. Also, most players feel that another round with an improved version of Maat's fight is needed and welcomed. Not only this, but my approach keeps players revisiting the "Old Content" since all of the old pieces are able to be repeated.

As an aside, there could then be a final "Ultimate Condemnation gear set" magian trials which requires both UVG and UvG+1 be turned in together. This would unlocked true "God Mode" allowing player to resist death(1HP lock with weakened status) but stats +50, and all recast timers -50%, and +100%exp bonus). Yes game breaking but incredibly time consuming.

As a further aside, I imagine the UVG set to look "crystalline(white/clear) looking gear set appropriate to jobs. With very fine trim with "job colors". As for the UcG, t would look "crystalline(clear/black similar to crystal warriors) with same "job coloring" trim.

Both sets would feature a "shimmer/aura" effect around players similar to Paladin's job emote.


Yes, Yes I'm bored and suggesting crazy things...crazy, but totally doable.

[Covenant]

Oh I forgot to mention... As far as the "Ultimate Virtue Weapons" these would require that players turn in several specific items. Can be two paths with a regular and elite path.

Regular path includes AF, partially completed relic(50%), Mythic Weapon(locked), FayWeapon(x5 augmented), (1)50% completed path of weapon(stats), (1) 50% unlocked weaponskill trial, and (1)"lower"(coin) empreyean weapon plus Maat rare/ex item.

The elite path would be AF, 100%relic, 100% Mythic, Fay Waepon(x10), (1)complete weapon trial(stat), (1) complete weapon skill trial, 100%Empreyan weapon(NM).

Each path would give you complete access to every weaponskill despite job. Each would give you the usual increase damage, multi strike option, and decreased delay. However, the elite path would have be of higher values AND feature a final weapon skill

A Special Note. Why not allow players to undergo a final trial path that require the final versions of weapons to combine. For example, the Mage path...1 staff that combines all the elemental staves into one staff with either +1/4 or +4/1 stats. Or, a -7mp per stave that combine all elemental/avatars. Or, a complete pet STAT mode. Or, melee weapon?

[Malacite]

Actually, I do like the idea of AF branching off into two paths, but they should still be trials. I'll use DRG as an example:


Path 1) Focuses on the DRG itself, improving jump abilities, weaponskills etc and the trials naturally reflect this.
Path 2) Focuses on the Wyvern pet, enhancing breaths, increasing it's HP etc.

I was little disappointed when AF3 came out to see that this wasn't the case. Now, it's harder to do this with some jobs than others but it would have been really cool.

[Covenant]

I'm in agreement with AF1, AF2, and AF3 and so forth. We are discussing tiers of gear set, not each individual pieces and at what specific levels. These are job specific sets given at specific levels at specific endgame. As we all know, most player DON'T use the entire set at a time. Most macro in pieces as needed.

[Kjara]

Another alternative that I like would be if AF+3 seals (or materials, whatever) were dropped in any old content of the game. (Einerjhar, Salvage, Limbus, even Garrison wouldn't be bad, ZNM, and ENNMs or BS/KSNMs, since nobody is doing those anymore.) I'm sure it would bring back a lot of activity in those fields. After so much Abyssea-only stuff, if our final Artifact stage screamed "back to the origins!" I would really love it.

[Bagel]

You guys are completely missing the main problem here. We have no +3 box color. White > Blue > ???. An impossible conundrum, just stop now.

[Kimble]

+3 is yellow box. We have +3 food and meds.

[Malacite]

Really +3 foods?

I knew about meds but not foods.