The real problem with PLD

[Andrien]

How does a nonOchain endgame PLD/NIN have Provoke? We are talking about a non MPsponge tank right?

Edit: Cure IV gives you less hate than meleeing unless you can't do 200~ damage in 4 seconds from melee.

I wonder if you actually read my post. I said those are some job abilities, and actions a paladin excels at. Of course you know pld/war gets provoke.

Have you really never worked with a co-tank before? Ever?

If not, read my thread here and skip to the portion near the bottom about teamwork and co-tanking. Or better yet, just read the whole thing.

Not going to change the subject. The fact of the matter is PLD have the JA and equipment to excel in tanking. They don't make great damage dealers or healers. Although damage dealing can be subjective, but they don't excel in it.

[Zagen]

I wonder if you actually read my post. I said those are some job abilities, and actions a paladin excels at. Of course you know pld/war gets provoke.

The point is PLD/WAR without Ochain = MP Sponge = Healer Pull hate... and a worse tank when PLD/NIN mitigates more damage and handles hate better.

[Andrien]

The point is PLD/WAR without Ochain = MP Sponge = Healer Pull hate... and a worse tank when PLD/NIN mitigates more damage and handles hate better.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I never was lol. No DMG is better than taking some. But, blink tank can be subjective with equipment like Creed Collar, and Creed Cuisses +2. In fact the entire creed +2 set Occasionally absorbs damage taken. Set proc believed to be somewhere around 5% for each part. I might be wrong though.