Book burning ruined 5-man groups

[Kwate]

Why? people will find another way to get fast exp. Leveling up slower isn't going to help people become better players, it just slows the exp process. If you feel that strongly, feel free to start your own conventional party.

Abyss and burns are popular because it speeds up the exp process and eliminate alot of BS prejudices against various jobs, why should it take a DRK or MNK 3-4 times as long to level up as a SAM, both are good in their role? Also it keeps the exp flowing while if 1-2 people have to leave, or if your tank or mage has to go afk, it can keep going almost uninterrupted. I think SE did the right thing, it gives alot more flexibility in the leveling up process and takes alot of unnecessary politics out of the equation.

[geekgirl101]

Give a person everything they want just to swing their epeen about how fast it took them to get to 90, and what you get is a seriously lazy, selfish, gimped and unskilled person wasting a good spot in an endgame situation.

[Ravenmore]

Give a person everything they want just to swing their epeen about how fast it took them to get to 90, and what you get is a seriously lazy, selfish, gimped and unskilled person wasting a good spot in an endgame situation.

Nothing has changed since 75 retarded players made it to endgame just as easy as now. In the old days it was called leveling brd auto-invite to endgame, exp anything they wanted since it freed someone else to play a job they enjoyed.

[Octaviane]

Nothing has changed since 75 retarded players made it to endgame just as easy as now. In the old days it was called leveling brd auto-invite to endgame, exp anything they wanted since it freed someone else to play a job they enjoyed.

75 = skilled, usually well-geared (worked for it too) players, 90 = Abyssea leech 30 -90 in less than a day, no skills, but oh my, I have great gear, an Empyrean Weapon or 10 and it only took me a day to get.

I saw a WAR85/DNC42 yesterday taking the ferry from Mhaura to WG. He was sporting a Rune Chopper ( a nice GA pre 75), no Grip, Perle everything, Warrior's Belt (not even +1), Puissance rings, a low level Boomerang in ranged and a Spike earring. Don't remember the other. He did have a Chiv Chain. Yes, he Abyssea burned, and no I am not critcising his gear because it was obvious he had Abyssea burned.

What was he doing on the ferry? The same that I was as a level 30 THF (mule). Going to WG to get a Runic Portal in order to become a Merc, get Mog Locker and WG warp from the 3 nations and Jeuno. He chose Halvung, I chose Azouph. Point? Didn't we all have this done pre level 50 before? Now, the thing is to get to 90 then go back and skill-up and do all those things that should have, could have been done sooner. All the fun, and I will admit tedium at times, has been taken out of the game. Much as I have enjoyed Abyssea, it bores me to death to spend hours there doing the same crap over and over again. At least with the old style levelling parties, we had fun, we spoke to one another, made friends and had a good old time and we didn't have to spend endless hours at it. Sure, in old style endgame there was a lot of greed, elitism, whining and bitching, but the same applies now in the new endgame.

Everything is different, but all remains the same when you take a good look at it over the years.

I play for fun these days on a mule. I am enjoying the heck out of it despite the tedium. That's what this game means to me anyway.

[Defiledsickness]

the only difference is now you CAN level quick. you still get normal party invites faster then when i started playing about 4years ago before level syncing. the only things we've lost is EXP in old OLD areas like the bibiki bay, having to pay for a PL (100k/hour shouts in the dunes used to be as bad as RMT tells were last year), we lost Whitegate pretty much completely, and we did kinda lose whm's and plds thanks to abyssea.

but book burns are a godsend. i mean you talk about people not knowing how to skillchain, do you really want to 6man party with those people? because having a dnc tank and a dnc main heal, that's not fun imo. and if you care about gimps, dont worry! they can still get decent gear, but they'll never be decent unless they put in actual work. idc about who gets what, i only get satisfaction from killing something hard thanks to my dedication and skill.

if you're really mad it must be because you're too lazy to setup a party (which most of us are). because there are a ton of people with their flag up waiting for any invite (and back in the day you still had to teach people about SC's, it took me forever to even understand the concept. not sure why lol).

[Ravenmore]

75 = skilled, usually well-geared (worked for it too) players, 90 = Abyssea leech 30 -90 in less than a day, no skills, but oh my, I have great gear, an Empyrean Weapon or 10 and it only took me a day to get.

I saw a WAR85/DNC42 yesterday taking the ferry from Mhaura to WG. He was sporting a Rune Chopper ( a nice GA pre 75), no Grip, Perle everything, Warrior's Belt (not even +1), Puissance rings, a low level Boomerang in ranged and a Spike earring. Don't remember the other. He did have a Chiv Chain. Yes, he Abyssea burned, and no I am not critcising his gear because it was obvious he had Abyssea burned.

What was he doing on the ferry? The same that I was as a level 30 THF (mule). Going to WG to get a Runic Portal in order to become a Merc, get Mog Locker and WG warp from the 3 nations and Jeuno. He chose Halvung, I chose Azouph. Point? Didn't we all have this done pre level 50 before? Now, the thing is to get to 90 then go back and skill-up and do all those things that should have, could have been done sooner. All the fun, and I will admit tedium at times, has been taken out of the game. Much as I have enjoyed Abyssea, it bores me to death to spend hours there doing the same crap over and over again. At least with the old style levelling parties, we had fun, we spoke to one another, made friends and had a good old time and we didn't have to spend endless hours at it. Sure, in old style endgame there was a lot of greed, elitism, whining and bitching, but the same applies now in the new endgame.

Everything is different, but all remains the same when you take a good look at it over the years.

I play for fun these days on a mule. I am enjoying the heck out of it despite the tedium. That's what this game means to me anyway.

It did not I had to kick so many players in parties 20-75 over the years. Also that GA used to be a godly weapon but thats nither here nor there. I seen more 4/5 af drgs 5/5 blus rdms whms list goes on at 75 the old way. Rose tinted glasses. That could also had been some one buring up a alt to proc which doesn't need any kind of gear. Crappy players have been in this game forever. Ever had a brd or rdm D/C in you merit party only to come back pop a warp reflag in WG cause you weren't getting 25k a hour. Those players werte gimp rdms and brds burning merits for jobs they wanted. I happy now that I can pass both over now for exp.

[Smokenttp]

what about some little changes to lvl sync sistem, 1st and most obivious would be the skill gain while synced the secound one tough is a bit more interresting , i propose an exp bonus for higer level players synced that works ONLY if they are not in an alliance (its easy to do that just a boolean true or false), why you ask me? ansewer is simple lets say you and a friend are 1 year to finish high scool and start playing the game, then when you move to university you meet new friends and introduces then to the game, if a single ppl join the game you are probably high level with several jobs and for the most of the time will not want to help your friend leveling up because for you is not worth it.

lets picture a scene here you are an 80 whm and your friend an war lvl 30 call you for a sync pt and you decide to join, something will come into play now thats called sense of achivement, while you party for about 4 hours and your friend jumps an outstanding 15 levels, you leveled once. so in most cases people will not sync down because its not worth their time its unmotivational and at the same time lower levels dont get pts and becomes unmotivated to play the game, on the other hand if the said whm could skill up and make i dont know about 4k exp (exp should be calculated around level diference) a mob it would pretty much level at the same rate as the war and feel a better sence of achivement.
of course like someone mentioned earlier there will be aways people abusing the system but i belive that more people will enjoy it like that,this would actually make exp pts worth again and alliviate abyssea and book burning as ways of leveling up.

this would acctually might solve both of these problems and also most people needs someone to introduce then to the game in order to play. its a good slice of the market.what do you guys think?

sry for rushed text and bad english.

[Kwate]

The way I see it, 3 things you can't avoid in life: death, taxes, and gimp players in FFXI (no way around it). It's going to happen rather you hit 90 in 3 days or 30. I can't tell you how many bad jobs I seen along the way to 75 via the conventional party method, at least with book burning 1-2 unskilled players isn't going to kill your exp or breakup your group. With that being said I do like having the various options now of how I have level up.

[Kikkyo]

Valkurm has been abandoned for a long while, but I keep seeing people in ls chat mentioning or asking for parties in crawler's nest, and have seen quite a bit of partying around the pond in Qufim while fishing. So those zones at least aren't dead, it just depends on the type of people you're with and if they're the sort of players to take the easy road or choose to learn the job as they go, which also probably depends on if they're serious about the job or just leveling it to 50 for a sub.

Bleh, editing to say that I didn't realize when I posted this that CN was popular for aby-style alliance xping, just returning to the game after several months and two abyssea expansion releases so I'm still clueless on some of the changes in game. XD

[Fyreus]

Not even going to read anything here. Abyssea ruined 3~6man parties from 30-90. nuff said.