BLU/MNK

[Scuro]

I just do /RDM for doing proc'n and for magical set ups against some beastly NMs. Thats about it. Its still a very valid subjob with MP set aside. It also has some nice other qualities, but yes that is the main reason I use it. I still do /NIN out of Abyssea and if I'm solo'n. Yet I find Occultation covers me pretty good. Yet this is not about /RDM, its about /MNK, and yes I have to agree, in comparison to /NIN /MNK just does not seem valid enough. With the appropriate eva gear and atma, coupled with shadows, there really just isn't a means to beat it. As I said before, in a hypothetical way /MNK is about as valid as /DRK when DD. On the base it sounds pretty sweet, but in the end, it just doesn't cut to snuff when you put it on paper.

[Defiledsickness]

breath spells were good because regular blu spells did ZERO damage on HNM's back at 75. you could hit a normal mob with disseverment and 1-shot it, but go up to a hard nm and it'll only do 5dmg. breath spells were the least resisted dmg, thus they were used (or you had to lvl another job)

however, hp is still very relevant when a mob can 1-shot you and blu has no migawari-type spell. the only time i could see /mnk being better then /nin is when you fight mobs that are too damn hard to make shadows worth casting (stuff like Shinryu is very common in abyssea and at some point counter would catch blocking 1 extra hit per shadow). even with capped haste you cant cast shadows back to back on blu, as we aren't evading 50% of the time.

not to mention how many abyssea mobs will AoE you as soon as you cast Occultation (which has a long ass recast timer)

[Zagen]

(stuff like Shinryu is very common in abyssea and at some point counter would catch blocking 1 extra hit per shadow)

Just wanted to point out Shinryu is a horrible example just like all the Ironclads his melee attacks are TP moves which means Counter can't proc on them.

[Inafking]

(http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Cobra_Harness_Set) + (counterstance) + (Khanda +2) I use this combo when I fight lots of lower things at once.

[Kwate]

To the guys saying /mnk is useless, you haven't tried it, so it's hard to validate your argument. It's pretty damn good, especially when shadows are down (you barely get hit when even casting Zephyr Mantle anymore, which is nice), you're offsetting 50% of the melee coming at you, I'll be doing alot more testing in the coming days, but seems pretty potent vs. fodder mobs.

[Zagen]

To the guys saying /mnk is useless, you haven't tried it, so it's hard to validate your argument. It's pretty damn good, especially when shadows are down (you barely get hit when even casting Zephyr Mantle anymore, which is nice), you're offsetting 50% of the melee coming at you, I'll be doing alot more testing in the coming days, but seems pretty potent vs. fodder mobs.

Who cares about fodder mobs? Those who are saying /MNK is useless (myself and a few others) are saying useless on mobs that matter not fodder mobs.

[Kwate]

Who cares about fodder mobs? Those who are saying /MNK is useless (myself and a few others) are saying useless on mobs that matter not fodder mobs.

Yep, I'll find out soon enough. You're entitled to your opinion, but my point is there are other viable options on /job we can use.

[Scuro]

Well more power to ya, I care to see the results, the BLU in me that wanted to experiment with various support jobs and break the mold of the community standard..... Died in my years ago. Now I do what is deemed best, and I do it best. Thats the way I choose to play my BLU, I used to be a huge supporter of BLU/SCH under Smudgey. Now I do community standards. So I would care to see these results, however I'm already under the impression they will come to the conclusion those that disagree with it are stating, that it won't be up to snuff. But as i said, go get em' lol.