Attacking other players while under the effect of Charm

[Coldbrand]

I just realized how fun it would be to hang out by cirein-croin or titlacauan after pimping out BLM and nuking everyone.

[Ilax]

Well, i did not read all thread but this make me remember Pallas... People was killing his bat so pallas could charm the solo'er and then they was killing him and claim Pallas... We did call GM and GM said they was unable to do anything about it since is game mechanic...

I saw same happen again "Eccentric Eve", player got charmed, then they got kill by competition and NM stoled. Is that group got punished? I doubt, but was funny to watch none the less, i would probably be piss if this happen to me, but no worry, i always have a backup tank staying far....

[Zumi]

A few years ago had a couple friends that got jailed then 3 day banned and the other was warned for killing charmed people at Tiamat. They told the GM they were doing it because they were being attacked by other players, the GM didn't buy it. But the real reason they were doing it because they didn't like the LS that was killing Tiamat and thought it was hilarious when they were killing their charmed players.

So I guess it really depends on the GM you get. A lot of these NA GMs are outsourced and hired by a 3rd party company by SE anyway and know little about FFXI.

But if your bad enough to get charmed by a corse at Tiamat then you deserve to die. But why have mobs even charm players if someone can just call a GM on you for killing the charmed players?

[Zaknafein]

HNM was serious bizness dood!

[Ilax]

I guess is not only about GM, but case by case. If is done in goal of pissing another group, GM might see it as harrasment, but if that X player involve game mechanic then i think GM would be forced to take no action... Maybe i am wrong too, but like i said i still have SS and LOG from that GM for pallas, and nothing he could do outside say how he was sorry.

Another old story, back in the time i was mana burning tiger from gigas in the past (very good exp), some random group came in and bumped us (saying they had 6 player and us only 3 so they had priority) They won, so i left and came back THF and started kill the gigas for 2h long, they all GM me, but i claimed to farm gigas item, so GM been forced to take no action, but i am pretty sure if i said to GM, i do it bc they stoled my camp and is my zone so they can deal with me now, he would have suspended my account for 3 day.

IMO SE have to fix the charm mechanic is the only real way.

[Kensagaku]

I have no problem nuking friends when we fight charmed mobs. Usually I keep a killcount and pray to god I don't end up in the charmed group so people don't get their revenge on me. This is why I like going mages or THF on things like C-C (I could attack if I wanted to on THF, but usually we kill so fast I don't really give a damn about putting full effort and just TH tag and stand back), because that way I see a person charmed, go after them and boom, one more point to chalk up to my killcount.

Charged Whisker worked AoE on charmed people from C-C, took out a WAR, THF, and DRK (first two unintentional because Convergence didn't go off but funny nonetheless!) with one CW for ~2.5k each. It was hilarious.

That aside, when it comes to random people? I don't like to invite hate when it comes to randomly MPKing them, so I avoid doing it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it and I'd prolly laugh my head off if I went around doing it. It's more satisfying to KO your friends though. Moral-wise, I don't care; it's a legal game mechanic and thus I have no problem with it. Socially, on the other hand, I see it as a big no-no unless it's friends because then it invites hate I don't like to deal with. Drama's a headache when it's actually mine.

[Ilax]

Moral-wise, I don't care; it's a legal game mechanic and thus I have no problem with it. Socially, on the other hand, I see it as a big no-no unless it's friends because then it invites hate I don't like to deal with. Drama's a headache when it's actually mine.

See that was my old politic in FFXI, stuff changed lately, i steal NM every day now, i pop in front of a group careless, and i surly probably MPK someone if he was charmed just to steal his NM. OMG why i am i so mean? Ask that to those linkshell that been camping me on glavoid ( i lost 7 glavoid total when i did Ukon, and i am at 3 otrhtus stoled) but i am catching up big time now, i stoled 6 Orthrus, 5 hedjedjet, i give back same deal to everyone, you have no idea of the satisfaction it give me. Now when i loose agains NM and someone steal i just pop the next one, but be careful when i am around, your NM is not anymore safe if you wipe.

There less and less ethic in abyssea, and i am not planing changing my way since i would be the only stupid one doing so. For sure SE need change some mechanic in the game.

[Eeek]

That aside, when it comes to random people? I don't like to invite hate when it comes to randomly MPKing them, so I avoid doing it. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it and I'd prolly laugh my head off if I went around doing it. It's more satisfying to KO your friends though. Moral-wise, I don't care; it's a legal game mechanic and thus I have no problem with it. Socially, on the other hand, I see it as a big no-no unless it's friends because then it invites hate I don't like to deal with. Drama's a headache when it's actually mine.

I agree with your stance completely. I love love love killing charmed friends when it won't seriously compromise our current objective, but I absolutely refuse to kill random charmed people who generally behave in a civil manner and go about their business. My friends and I will sometimes take Abyssea NMs, but only if the other group fully wiped and cannot continue the fight without the aid of unlimited Apoc reraises.

@Ilax: You're an ass. Other people followed your group because it sounds like your group wiped on a fairly regular basis. Your failures are not good excuses, in my opinion, to run about facilitating wipes by killing random charmed people. I don't see any issue with stumbling upon a wiped group and claiming/killing 'their' NM. I do have a real problem with people who facilitate such wipes by killing charmed folks whose sin was being charmed around MMO sociopaths.

You cannot bemoan the supposed decline in ethical behavior in Abyssea while actively and proudly behaving in an unethical manner. That's hypocrisy. It's one thing to kill RMT and those with whom you have a legitimate grudge, but it's an entirely different matter to go about disturbing people who are otherwise going about their business and generally not wiping to NMs (it is different if they wipe to almost everything they pop/claim).

[Urteil]

What if you just have a grudge with poopie-talking, doo-doo heads.

[Kensagaku]

See that was my old politic in FFXI, stuff changed lately, i steal NM every day now, i pop in front of a group careless, and i surly probably MPK someone if he was charmed just to steal his NM. OMG why i am i so mean? Ask that to those linkshell that been camping me on glavoid ( i lost 7 glavoid total when i did Ukon, and i am at 3 otrhtus stoled) but i am catching up big time now, i stoled 6 Orthrus, 5 hedjedjet, i give back same deal to everyone, you have no idea of the satisfaction it give me. Now when i loose agains NM and someone steal i just pop the next one, but be careful when i am around, your NM is not anymore safe if you wipe.

There less and less ethic in abyssea, and i am not planing changing my way since i would be the only stupid one doing so. For sure SE need change some mechanic in the game.

Eeek hit this on the head; you're being an utter hypocrite. If you fail, your NM is free game. Apoc-zombieing is not "recovering" in my eyes, and as a result if I see a group that has to do that to win, I'll either sit and wait for a full group wipe and then take it, or get annoyed watching it go white again and again and take it before someone else does. However, you sound like you're just stalking a group (which is funny, since they "did it to you first", yet you're doing the same...) because you're a little butthurt that someone took some of your failures. If you messed up, then rethink your strategy and do better so that people don't take it. If someone else fails, and you see a monster free game? Feel free to take it, it's a legal game strategy.

However, stalking a linkshell just because you have a grudge is both socially and morally deplorable. Is it against the game's rules? Technically, since your intent as stated here (on the official forums no less!) is both purposely aiming to steal as "retaliation" for their "misdeeds" before, you could prolly be GM'd for griefing. If you're just taking the ones they wipe on, fine, but if you're stealing when a mob goes white for a second or anything like that, then yeah, you're just makin' an ass out of yourself. Doing this hurts both your social and your moral reputation.