Attacking other players while under the effect of Charm

[Karbuncle]

No, i am active in 3 active LS, Totalchaos (dynamis), Twilight (abyssea) and SdorianKnightII (abyssea) The trio-box is just for my personal empy weapon, i would not train someone 10 to 34h long just for me, i also did help 4 friend to get they empy, you can verify by yourself if you wan: Angalo, Angelus, Lesil, Shoyu, also currently helping 3 more to get they empy. I gave over 8 Loki free so far, yes i did not sell, note i should sell... i miss a good way for gil.. meh like i really need that. You be surprise to see the amount of +2 item i give for free, i am only interest in Empy item when i trio box, and i never refuse anyone that is interest into +2, i careless about those item, is just the left over for me.

I maybe sound like an ASS, i agree on that, but that is just because i don't hide how i now play "offensive". Meet me in game and you probably have a way differen opinion on me.

You shouldn't worry about asking for help with an Empyrean, Especially if you've helped so many people get one. You should work out a mutual deal with your friends if your goal is to not "mooch" one.

For instance, right now my friends and i are getting all of us an empyrean (well, I'm going for Mandau), We do a couple hours of Empyrean Weapon farming, then do Dynamis.

We go on the weekends when everyones online. So far we've finished 4 out of the 6 we have goals for. I'm on stage 3 of Mandau with 22/61 Shells too (I'm being lazy lately, I could be done with Shells if i had gone more often)

If you work out a system with your friends you won't need to tri-box. I can understand not wanting to impose on friends, However if they really are friends they should have no problem helping you. And if its a "I dont want them to help me with no reward" kind of thing, Do what i do, Help them build weapons too.

I guess theoretically this make take longer in the long run for an individual though...

[Kimble]

Yeah, seems to be how it is with my group. We are all friends and no one feels like they are using anyone because everyone knows if they need something, they will get help.

Also, with all the stages now giving out +2 items, its not like they arent getting anything out of the deal.

Plus yeah, if you helped so many of your friend with their weapons, why would it bother them to help you in return?

[Ilax]

Well yes, is actually what i am doing too, currently helping Angelus to finish his Aegis (he on last stage, ~800 ordel left for full completion) as i did help littlechaos (amano) and cooncon (Gungir) also helping grimace in salvage for his mythic (i never take any alex, always give to him 4 free)

If you work out a system with your friends you won't need to tri-box. I can understand not wanting to impose on friends, However if they really are friends they should have no problem helping you. And if its a "I dont want them to help me with no reward" kind of thing, Do what i do, Help them build weapons too.

Well i was leading "twilight ls" for empy weapon and +2, i just ended to give up due to drama, they are still very good friend, just they not ready to spend that much time in abyssea as i do, and it was pretty much the main part of drama. Instead forcing them to come help each other (as it used to be) i just do everything on my own, at least i am no longer feel like i abuse of them. (or feel abused)

I guess you need to lead to understand it, all i can say is how we did spend time to help a friend, then that friend turned MIA after he get his empy done, but since i am the leader i have other friend asking me to help in return for the help they gave me for that guy that is no longer playing or interest to invest time in abyssea. So do the math, all i was doing is accumulating a help debt for trying help them, not going to hide it come stressful at some point, and i lost my mind and say, fuck all this bullshit, and left to do everything on my own.

I still help them no matter what, but not everyday as i used to do, and not for everything, in revenge i don't ask them to help me on anything. I feel better since that day, of course is way harder and could be way better with help, but just avoiding drama made 50 Glavoid shell 5x more easy to trio Box.

Anyway, story is a bit more complex then that, but you can see a good picture of it, i did H2H (full completion) GA (47/75 claw on last upgrade) and i have no debt to anyone, and just that make me feel better.

[Runespider]

I can understand the anger at vultures but the best way to deal with them is to try ignore them and concentrate on the fight, less chance of a wipe then. If I see a group in trouble and I see others desperately trying to vulture it I'll either team up and help or cure bomb them to keep them alive, I despise vultures.

There is a difference between someone that will take it and kill it just before it depops from a full wipe and someone standing as close as possible with their head bobbing on the NM, I really hate people that do that.

Anyway though, for glavoid most just use a stun bot to make sure they stop the one shot TP moves. Takes all the skill of turning on the TV, people who play legit in small groups will die to that move now and then so it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Anyway, story is a bit more complex then that, but you can see a good picture of it, i did H2H (full completion) GA (47/75 claw on last upgrade) and i have no debt to anyone, and just that make me feel better.

Takes a lot of concentration and skill to trio box legit, seems like you are very successfull at it^^

Also I have to be honest, if you relied on friends you would get a lot less done ingame. There are very few friends you will make ingame that genuinly just want to help you or work as a team, they want stuff for themselves and see help as a means to an end. This isn't everyone of course since some are genuine good friends but that is what a hell of a lot of ingame friends amount to.

If what you are doing is working for you (and it obviously is) then more power to you and don't let anyone tell you that isn't the way to do it.

[Myrrh]

Don't want to be attacked while charmed? Don't get charmed. Problem solved.

[Ilax]

If what you are doing is working for you (and it obviously is) then more power to you and don't let anyone tell you that isn't the way to do it.

Well ya, but don't get me wrong, i don't mind to help i actually do that so often, the only thing that turn me off is how sometime you help someone and you realize how he refuse to help his own self and expect you do everything for him, and that is even worse when that happen to be a good friend.

Idk i hardly can explain it... A good example i can give is how we burned our self for a month doing glavoid and itzpapilot, and at some point (after earth quake) a tons of our member turned MIA, and that friend was poking me none stop to finish his ewep and we did, it was hard/stressful etc, and one day (when he was @ 45/50) we had not the proper group/setup to do itzpapilot, and baam he start shouting and do stuff on his own, then start tell me how that random group is helping him better then us (like all we did for him don't count because we can't handle his last 5... the day he want)

Idk i have more stressful example i can list but i doubt i need to go in all detail since they are still good friend.. All i can say is, when you trio box your self here the advantage:

#1) You can start when you wan and can stop when you tire.
#2) you don't have to force friend to stay awake 10h for you. (witch refer to #1 but for your friend)
#3) You are in control of the fight (TP feed/Hate control etc.. and if you die is 100% your fault).
#4) You have no debt to anyone.

Don't wan to be rude here, but i find that was less harrasment that way. (for me and for friend)

[Olor]

My group invited two nearby, random newbies for Atma of Allure while we finished off a Masamune's Level80 stage. Didn't charge them or anything.

Suck it, angry people. Cheers to everyone out there who at least tries not to be total s**theads.

I <3 you... noobs everywhere thank you