Bio III, can I has it.

[Raxiaz]

I call it more or less "all this to make the game make more sense for a 99 cap, not a 75 cap."

I disapprove of WHMs having to merit Protectra V and Shellra V when the single-target versions are available in scroll form. Granted they're equivalent to a 1/5 merit, that really just emphasizes the inconsistent ****-up that SE has created through the level cap raise. It all made sense at 75, but at 90 and soon 95/99 you can't tell me it's not an inconsistency, that it makes sense?

Logically it would be more beneficial and make more sense to have group 2 merits for RDM and WHM changed to "effect/potency/duration", even if those kind of merits are more or less for Group 1.

If they're afraid of changing merits because it will reset all Group 2 merits back to 0 for players for the jobs' group 2 merits that they changed, they're unreasonably afraid. It's not like one or two sessions of abyssea EXP will net all those merits back and then some.

[katz]

OMG KORPG stop mis reading what I write. When I said the 2nd set to be given to extra boosts to the other RDM skills it wasnt not to give them 2nd sets it was to boost their other skills with them.

Edited because KORPG doesnt like typos

[Korpg]

Not sure if this counts as off topic I apologise if it is but to me it makes sense to remove the spells bought by merits and use the 2nd category to boost RDMs other abilities like the RDM are asking for. More merits for melee, damage,evasion, etc to define the RDM role of non healer better and give them the opportunity to boost their other aspects of the job. This would then free up the magic scrolls for other jobs if people wanted them allocating say to BLM or WHM. I know its a bit late in the Role for this change but maybe something could be written to give RDM merits back for reallocation and automatically add the merited spells to the magic list.

There is a reason why RDM has Slow II and WHM doesn't.

There is a reason why RDM has Blind II and BLM doesn't.

There is a reason why RDM has A+ enfeebling magic skill and everyone else doesn't.

There is a reason why BLM has AMIIs as merits, not spells.

There is a reason why WHM has Protectra/Shellra as merits, not spells you can buy from any NPC. I mean sure, you can have a SCH do the same Protect-ga and it be almost as good, but WHM is still the ultimate buffer, regardless of anyone's opinion in the matter.

I did not misread you, I wrote exactly what you said. I also gave my opinion as to why it won't work. It is not "freeing up spells and/or merits for RDM to use" it is giving useless spells to DRKs so they can have an excuse to stop swinging...again.... Why not ask for DRKs to have Blind II also? How about AMs? Teir 4s too? -gas?

Oh, and how can you accuse me of not reading when you can't even spell my name right?

[katz]

I respectfully request you do not make any comments to any suggestions that I make. You and I obviously dont speak the same language. Your continual snipeing remarks about everything I have written today is starting to wear thin. Any future comments made with the word you in it and its directed at me in its content will be deemed as harrassment. If you cant use the words I or we dont comment.

Edit bold comments specifically for someone who is continuing his harrasment

[Raxiaz]

Yes, there's a reason why RDM gets Slow II and WHM doesn't... But that doesn't mean RDM needs Slow II as a merit. There are plenty of spells that both jobs get through scrolls that only THOSE jobs get. Are you ****ing kidding me, Korpg?

I don't see where anyone is specifically saying "Slow II should be removed from RDM's merits and given to WHM and SCH." No one is saying that. People are saying that the merits should be readjusted so that the spells themselves can be scrolls while their effects can be further enhanced by merits.

If you can't understand this don't post in response.

[Byrth]

Yes, there's a reason why RDM gets Slow II and WHM doesn't... But that doesn't mean RDM needs Slow II as a merit. There are plenty of spells that both jobs get through scrolls that only THOSE jobs get. Are you ****ing kidding me, Korpg?

I don't see where anyone is specifically saying "Slow II should be removed from RDM's merits and given to WHM and SCH." No one is saying that. People are saying that the merits should be readjusted so that the spells themselves can be scrolls while their effects can be further enhanced by merits.

If you can't understand this don't post in response.

I don't know why you want to go scroll hunting just to end up with the same system that we already have.

[Swords]

It's because as a whole most people feel that these jobs are already suffering heavily due to the lack of need or want. Any job out there that has enfeebling skill can enfeeble just as well as a RDM and cap potency. So why do people want a RDM when they can have a WHM who can throw out 800+ cures or a BLM for triggers that can do the RDM's job as well. Group II merit spells obviously have more power to them, but your forced into a grim decision. You can A. put one merit into each Group 2 spell and have just a shred more power, or B. Pick two to maximize to make an actual difference over Tier I enfeebles. Of course other jobs that have Group II spells like NIN and BLM also suffer a similar decision so it overall puts them in a bind.

[Raxiaz]

I don't know why you want to go scroll hunting just to end up with the same system that we already have.

Scroll hunting? It'd be so easy for them to add almost every hard-to-find scroll as is to gold pyxides in abyssea. If they redid the merits that's most likely what they're going to do. I would hope they would, too, because in all honesty it doesn't make sense for tier 3s to cost 5-20k but tier 4 is 400-600k depending for each spell and then tier 5 is el-cheapo, probably even less than tier 3 because they're so common.

And it wouldn't be the same system, because the "effect/potency/duration" would apply to ALL tiers of Protect & Shell. ALL tiers of Blind, Paralyze, Slow, Dia, and Bio. Even Phalanx if they decided to go that route. Hell, the same could be done for BLM too.

It'd make more sense.

[Byrth]

Scroll hunting? It'd be so easy for them to add almost every hard-to-find scroll as is to gold pyxides in abyssea. If they redid the merits that's most likely what they're going to do. I would hope they would, too, because in all honesty it doesn't make sense for tier 3s to cost 5-20k but tier 4 is 400-600k depending for each spell and then tier 5 is el-cheapo, probably even less than tier 3 because they're so common.

And it wouldn't be the same system, because the "effect/potency/duration" would apply to ALL tiers of Protect & Shell. ALL tiers of Blind, Paralyze, Slow, Dia, and Bio. Even Phalanx if they decided to go that route. Hell, the same could be done for BLM too.

It'd make more sense.

No, actually you're just adding an unnecessary level of complexity. Base potency/duration is arbitrary, so your assumption that 5/5 potency would change isn't necessarily correct. Also, you're assuming they would add it to something easy to get (like a pyxis drop or NPC) instead of something harder (like an ENM, KC50, etc.)

Unless you're using a scroll system to generalize the spell to multiple jobs and just letting certain jobs use merits to enhance the potency of those spells (which you've specifically said isn't a necessary part of your plan), it doesn't make any sense to do it. You're basically just asking them to put scrolls into the game so you can have level "0" of all the Tier 2 merit spells, which is an issue that could be more easily (and completely) be rectified by increasing the merit cap on the Tier 2 category.

Adding scrolls is an unnecessary step that wastes developer resources and offers no benefit to the playerbase.

[Supersun]

Except increasing the merit cap does so for EVERY job which adds balance implications as a factor as opposed to just changing the merits to scrolls and making the merits potency which only affects those jobs.

Of course they likely won't do this as potency is what T1 merits do while T2 merits add JA, JT, and Spells.