Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Insaniac]

90% might be too big, but I can assure you it's over 50%.

I've seen Relic owners with less knowledge of the game than pink power rangers. This of course is probably the smallest category of Relic owners, because most people will find out if they enjoy the game our not before they dish out big real currency to buy relics.

Meh, most emp owners don't know how to play/gear their jobs either. I would say a larger % than relic owners but that's just my opinion. And 50+% is still an outrageous claim. Until you know someone personally you can't make those kinds of judgments. Everything you know about someone you have never talked to is 100% hearsay. I had at least 10 different rumors started about me after I got my relic about how I bought gil, stole my LS bank, sold currency and ended with more money than I started with, had an e-lationship with someone who was involved in deciding who the next sponsor was, ect. ect. People have always had it out for relic owners and most of the time it's unjustified.

[Leonlionheart]

Meh, most emp owners don't know how to play/gear their jobs either. I would say a larger % than relic owners but that's just my opinion. And 50+% is still an outrageous claim. Until you know someone personally you can't make those kinds of judgments. Everything you know about someone you have never talked to is 100% hearsay. I had at least 10 different rumors started about me after I got my relic about how I bought gil, stole my LS bank, sold currency and ended with more money than I started with, had an e-lationship with someone who was involved in deciding who the next sponsor was, ect. ect. People have always had it out for relic owners and most of the time it's unjustified.

It goes the same way on both arguments. Across the internet even if you do talk to them the odds are they will lie to you if they have bought gil, considering it's such an offense.

I've met maybe two Relic owners who have legitimately gotten relics, and played with dozens. The two Relic owners who are legit are the only ones deserving of the relics, and they both worked hard for them and keep up their job adamantly.

I can't say absolutely that they have bought gil, but you can't say they haven't either. I can say though, that MANY abuse and rip off LS. More than half of relic owners before 2010, of that I'm certain.

[Insaniac]

It goes the same way on both arguments. Across the internet even if you do talk to them the odds are they will lie to you if they have bought gil, considering it's such an offense.

I've met maybe two Relic owners who have legitimately gotten relics, and played with dozens. The two Relic owners who are legit are the only ones deserving of the relics, and they both worked hard for them and keep up their job adamantly.

I can't say absolutely that they have bought gil, but you can't say they haven't either. I can say though, that MANY abuse and rip off LS. More than half of relic owners before 2010, of that I'm certain.

That's why I said you have to know them personally. You can't just talk to someone a few times like you said but when people work on relics they tend to interact with each other. I know that every NA who finished their relic while I was working on mine did it legit. I watched them go through the process. On top of that I heard rumors about all of them that weren't true during and after their process. I know how this works. People see someone get something they want and they start making up stories about how they got it.

On the subject of shell abuse, yes, some leaders were dicks and had their members spamming cities with 1 xarc/glacier a month but it's not like they had no other options. If they stayed it was because they wanted to. There was never a shortage of dynamis shells and if their leader was screwing them over they should have just left and usually people did. If someone is stupid enough to be taken advantage of then someone is gonna take advantage of them and not just for relics.

[Ravenmore]

Meh, most emp owners don't know how to play/gear their jobs either. I would say a larger % than relic owners but that's just my opinion. And 50+% is still an outrageous claim. Until you know someone personally you can't make those kinds of judgments. Everything you know about someone you have never talked to is 100% hearsay. I had at least 10 different rumors started about me after I got my relic about how I bought gil, stole my LS bank, sold currency and ended with more money than I started with, had an e-lationship with someone who was involved in deciding who the next sponsor was, ect. ect. People have always had it out for relic owners and most of the time it's unjustified.

Most people have seen this kinda of thing. Most players have been in a dyna shell and seen the crap that goes on with sponsers. Only truely fair way with no personal bias is for those interested to random. If relics had never needed more then 6 people to obtain then these kinda of rumors wouldn't have started. I turned down every shell offer I got from friends to join the LSes they were in because of sponsors. People don't really like seeing some one profit off thier work and they might get one run a month at the gear they really wanted from dyna. Sponsors and leader used this carrot to get the minons to work for thier toys.