Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Insaniac]

You seem to be unaware of this so let me spell it out for you, all those people with the awesome gear either cheat, or play with a bunch of people who cheat and profit from it. Quit deluding yourself and thinking the 1% of people with everything who don't cheat are the norm..

Oh man.. You're one of those people. Anyone who accomplished more than you was clearly cheating amiright?

Really its not about being hard since it was never hard to make a relic, time consuming yes. If we had the system we have now for relic they would be more common. Correct me if i'm wrong but the relic data was only for the cenus was one month.

Protip: Nothing in this game is hard if you aren't terrible at it. It's all time sinks. Getting an empyrean is easier than most regular magian trials because magian trials are more of a time sink.

[Ravenmore]

Oh man.. You're one of those people. Anyone who accomplished more than you was clearly cheating amiright?



Protip: Nothing in this game is hard if you aren't terrible at it. It's all time sinks. Getting an empyrean is easier than most regular magian trials because magian trials are more of a time sink.

The salvage bans proved it. A large part of some of the so called elite got banned. Even being terrribe didn't mean crap if you were good at farming gil.

[Insaniac]

The salvage bans proved it. A large part of some of the so called elite got banned. Even being terrribe didn't mean crap if you were good at farming gil.

Proved what exactly?

[Vagrua]

Proved what exactly?

I believe he/she meant to prove that players didn't need any skill to get anything accomplished back then, only cheating/taking advantage of bugs/packet injection bots/telehacking/fleehackers. These players/groups have/had quite an advantage over the community that do not use them.

[Korpg]

The salvage bans proved it. A large part of some of the so called elite got banned. Even being terrribe didn't mean crap if you were good at farming gil.

Wait, just because they got banned didn't put them in the elite. Just those who like to use a method outside of norm for their own personal gain and exploit it.

[Ravenmore]

Wait, just because they got banned didn't put them in the elite. Just those who like to use a method outside of norm for their own personal gain and exploit it.

The ones that got banned were most of the ones going around screaming how elite they were based of thier gear. When they went on site say those that needed to know about the cheat knew about it reinforced it.

[wish12oz]

Oh man.. You're one of those people. Anyone who accomplished more than you was clearly cheating amiright?

My original response to you got removed, so lets try this again.

If you're going to come on here and subtly call me a noob with bad gear, you're incorrect. When I say they cheat, I'm speaking from experience. Having played this game since forever and being one of the original NA people doing endgame activities and continuing to do that stuff up until now, I assure you pretty much all very good endgame LS cheated, especially right before abyssea was introduced. I dunno how it was for you, but I assume it was the same as every other server, with 1 or 2 LS's having very good bots and dominating kings and land HNMs, and no one else even bothering to compete with them. You can't even counter with 'people who did events that didnt require bots didnt cheat' because well.... salvage bans? Ya, even those people who only did those types of events cheated. And just for lulz, anyone remember how many relics were lost with salvage bans? wasn't it like 500 perma banned and another 500 or so temp banned? Cause you know, people with relics dont cheat.

So anyway, since I know you think Im some terrible player with poor gear, here's a link to my guildwork to show otherwise.
http://guildwork.com/ffxi/odin/kaerin#/loot
Here's my followcatwhm:
http://guildwork.com/ffxi/odin/kiraen

Why dont you post yours and we'll compare.

[Korpg]

If you're going to come on here and subtly call me a noob with bad gear, you're incorrect. When I say they cheat, I'm speaking from experience. Having played this game since forever and being one of the original NA people doing endgame activities and continuing to do that stuff up until now, I assure you pretty much all very good endgame LS cheated, especially right before abyssea was introduced. I dunno how it was for you, but I assume it was the same as every other server, with 1 or 2 LS's having very good bots and dominating kings and land HNMs, and no one else even bothering to compete with them. You can't even counter with 'people who did events that didnt require bots didnt cheat' because well.... salvage bans? Ya, even those people who only did those types of events cheated. And just for lulz, anyone remember how many relics were lost with salvage bans? wasn't it like 500 perma banned and another 500 or so temp banned? Cause you know, people with relics dont cheat.

Yeah, most every endgame shell on Asura cheated in one fashion or another (my linkshell and probably one other being the exception towards the end). And Asura had the hardest hit on the Salvage bans (if I remember right, 150 people were banned from Asura alone).