Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Alhanelem]

I dont understand how people being able to get stuff is somehow bad, could you please explain it?

Who said getting things was bad? This is about risk/difficulty/time investment vs. reward.

The better the reward is, the more challenging/time consuming/risky it should be to obtain. A relic, which is not especially easy nor quick to obtain should be a superior prize for the effort to something that can be obtained relatively quickly with little difficulty.

[Vold]

tl;dr: For all we know it's balanced as intended right now and this topic is stupid.

It's obvious it was intended to go down like it did as far as I'm concerned and every relic thread to date treating the devs like they had extreme retardation going for them when they designed Empyreans has been stupid because of a lack of sense and understanding about why they had to do what they did so Empyreans have appeal for anyone to care to work on them.

Let's say Empyreans didn't exist. What would hardcore people be doing right now? Exactly right. My answer is the same exact answer: Absolutely NOTHING while they wait for the next update. Congratulations, you now understand why some Empyreans are better than relic/mythic for the time being, whoever "you" may happen to be.

If we keep this subject going for much longer the horse is going to come back to haunt us for revenge. Just sayin'.

[wish12oz]

Who said getting things was bad? This is about risk/difficulty/time investment vs. reward.

The better the reward is, the more challenging/time consuming/risky it should be to obtain. A relic, which is not especially easy nor quick to obtain should be a superior prize for the effort to something that can be obtained relatively quickly with little difficulty.

loooooooooooooooool
you think relics are hard to get.
PROTIP: Empyreans are harder to get then relics, I would say why, but people always report my posts and they get removed when I explain how 90% of all relics are obtained, but I assure you, it's much easier to get then an empyrean. Most are obtained through buying currency, and how most make the gil to buy the currency doesn't even involve needing to be at your PC or play FFXI.

Also, by your logic mythics should be the best, empyreans second and relics last, just sayin~

[Leonlionheart]

Metatron with 90 bravura does a bit more then ukkos when it doesn't get crits, and I'm speaking of occasions when acc is not capped, and you don't get crits. At this point, Bravura is way better for damage. (the only thing that falls into this catagory right now is higher tier voidwatch mobs)

What the hell am I reading.

Edit: Oh higher tier Voidwatch mobs. Irrelevant point is irrelevant.

[Korpg]

because Ebisu Fishing Rod is hard to get? And on the same category as relics?

[Korpg]

No, he is implying that everyone who has a relic either fishbotted it or bought it with paypal.

What, getting 100s in Dyanmis - Xarcbard isn't viable? Or realistic?

I mean, that is how people are getting 100s. And instead of 10,000 singles, people just need to get 100...well, 100s.

It is easier to get a relic now. You don't need to do XX NM to get XX NM to get XX item.

[Alhanelem]

you think relics are hard to get.

Ok. Let's see you start a brand new relic, and finish it within 2 weeks. Oh, wait, you can't! Collecting currency isn't easy unless you already have 200 million gil and buy it all. Getting attestations and fragments wasn't always easy either.

PROTIP: Empyreans are harder to get then relics

There is nothing more difficult about empyreans either in time or literal difficulty, unless your lv90 trial NM is Azdaja and you are not brewing it.

Also, by your logic mythics should be the best, empyreans second and relics last, just sayin~

No, by my logic empyreans should be last, by a long shot. Mythics ARE the best for certain jobs; but mythics are designed with a different goal in mind- to provide major enhancements to abilities of the corresponding job (e.g. WHM divine veil on all the time, which makes it far better than relic club). That said I do feel that most of the mythics (well, all of them, but trying to be generous here) should be better than they are.

[Korpg]

Oh great, Alien is doing the katz thing. Deleting posts to try to save face....

[Alienmonkey]

I'm not trying to save face lol.

[Ravenmore]

Anything you don't need to even do the event it come from is not hard. You cac and people have bought are thier coins from bazzars go back and merc the other items. Gil has never been nor never will be hard to get, anyone that had problems farm gil in the old days didn't know how or were to lazy to try.

I in the last week I have made over 1.5 mil not even selling gear or weapons from soloing KI box farming. Time to finish does not = challenge. It's wasn't that hard to run a dyna shell, if you didn't pick up jeuno shout people. My personal fav that I seen to many times is the LS holder getting some one else to run event to event operations the shell thinking they were next in line for a relic. With all the shady actions that relics had associated with them why people would still want them is beyond me.