Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[wish12oz]

So, is it worth making a Bravura now then?

No, lol, ask again at 99.
(I say this because we have no idea what mobs we will be fighting at 99 or what they will be like, and voidwatch isn't even worth doing right now. All the good drops are EX and they always go to the wrong person, so forget it, its to much trouble to not get anything out of it.)

[Neisan_Quetz]

Doesn't Ukko's have an unconfirmed critical bonus (as with most critical weaponskills) though? Have heard numbers thrown around but nothing conclusive.

[Korpg]

Don't know, probably does, but it is too early to tell I think. Nobody is going to get any real testing done until 99 probably.

[Neisan_Quetz]

the one information I could dig up in the Final Form Magian thread over on that other FF site said a JP test had Ukko's having an abnormally high critical rate compared to most other crit WS (Jin/Evis average +10% iirc).

[Alhanelem]

Actually this thread didn't need to be re-opened, only because it's well known that this situation is a problem.

[wish12oz]

The only testing I ever saw said at 100% tp the crit bonus is 10% on crit based WS's,
I doubt they would change it for 1 WS.
http://robonosto.blogspot.com/
It was here somewhere~

Actually this thread didn't need to be re-opened, only because it's well known that this situation is a problem.

Apparently it does need to be opened, since people somehow seem to think it is a problem, when it's not. Even inside abyssea, only 5 empyreans are 'the best' as far as DPS goes, and outside, its less then that.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I've seen the blog but didn't his data show the crit rate for WS isn't consistent? Their test has Backhand Blow at +40%, and Rampage as possibly being +10% but also potentially lower. Raging Rush showed higher than +10% on the blog.

Rereading it they're unsure Jin's critical bonus is even as high as +10%.

[Alhanelem]

The only testing I ever saw said at 100% tp the crit bonus is 10% on crit based WS's,
I doubt they would change it for 1 WS.
http://robonosto.blogspot.com/
It was here somewhere~

Apparently it does need to be opened, since people somehow seem to think it is a problem, when it's not. Even inside abyssea, only 5 empyreans are 'the best' as far as DPS goes, and outside, its less then that.

They don't have to be "the best." If they're even within sight of "the best", then it's a problem. Empyrean weapons are not just a little bit easier to get than relics, they're easy enough that anyone with one or two friends and the right jobs can get one.

[wish12oz]

They don't have to be "the best." If they're even within sight of "the best", then it's a problem. Empyrean weapons are not just a little bit easier to get than relics, they're easy enough that anyone with one or two friends and the right jobs can get one.

I dont understand how people being able to get stuff is somehow bad, could you please explain it?

I've seen the blog but didn't his data show the crit rate for WS isn't consistent? Their test has Backhand Blow at +40%, and Rampage as possibly being +10% but also potentially lower. Raging Rush showed higher than +10% on the blog.

Rereading it they're unsure Jin's critical bonus is even as high as +10%.

Rereading, good call, been so long since I bothered to look at anything guess I was confused, lol. Only thing I ever cared about was blade jin, must of confused that with everything or something.

[Byrth]

The measurement isn't immune to the fact in the title and doesn't reflect the recent dynamis changes. If relics were better, more people would make them instead of Empyreans.

Now that it's easier for Joe Schmo to get currency, any future census will reflect the relative desirability/effort of obtaining a relic. This past census reflects both Relics being inferior and relics being harder to get. Future censuses will show whether relics are still harder to get and whether they're inferior. There's no guarantee that the more difficult option has to be the best. Look at the OA2-4 weapons. They uniformly suck and are really hard to obtain, yet people still get them. I've got one myself.

tl;dr: For all we know it's balanced as intended right now and this topic is stupid.