Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[wish12oz]

You are out of your mind if you believe this. That figure is probably more like 2%.

There was a guy on my old server, he RMTd 3 relics then got hit by salvage bans, came back and bought 3 more, thats probably more then 2% by itself.
(2% for that server)

[Bumbeen]

I can make 3 mil a day fishing with 1 character, how long will it take me to buy a relic?
How about if I fish on my mule+my main+my alt account?

When I say this, I mean fishing up fish, then selling those fish to NPCs.

You cannot do this. 50% exaggeration. And in addition, on some servers its impossible to get the bait you need to get 2M because of all the bots. So you're limited to 1.5M in those cases.

[SNK]

Mythic Polearm is pretty much the best possible one you can obtain. It's just way too damn good and takes a literal dump on Gungnir and the Emperyan Polearm.

[Ravenmore]

You can also make it in a hour. Can make more if you then sell the NM pops that you FC up, but doubt you would do that since thats the main reason people FC the suckers are just iceing. After that sell the cruor gear from the crour you will biuld up. People paying to be PL may only be short term but the people willing to buy NMs pops could be long term.

[wish12oz]

I'm simply pointing out the easiest way to do it, and how most were obtained. I don't really care how many ebisu's there are or how many people have 100 fishing, if you did it every day you could have one in under 3 months starting from nothing. And if you wanted lots of gil its the best way to go about obtaining it. There's a reason RMTs always fish botted like crazy, its because it made tons and tons of gil with no effort.

[Alienmonkey]

The gp for serpent rumors is going to take a whole month on its own. If its so easy why isn't your fishing 100 with multiple ebisu?

[Korpg]

Wow, can't believe that Vegetto and I agree on the same thing so much...

I am making a Ukon at the moment, and I want to make sure it is the great axe of choice for me. That is why I asked the question, I wanted to know what the absolute best is, because I don't want to have different weapons for different events or weapons I won't use 99% of the time.

[Ravenmore]

Another thing is each update since relic were interduced had weapons gaining on relics. Its about the same as being in a HNM LS, even if the one you were in didn't bot doesn't mean it to wasn't tainted by it. Sponsoring dyna wasn't that much better, you put up 1mil/500k and walk away with 3 or 4 times your investment. Players could see sponsors as being favored by the leader. So even people with the means to get a relic stayed away from them. Even sponsoring you didn't need to be at the event. Not one thing about sponsoring was hard either. Time shink does not = challenge. With emp. weapons they removed a good deal of the time sink.

[Gotterdammerung]

Honestly ive always hated the idea of linking a WS to a specific weapon.
It poses balance issues as well as several logistical issues. A strong ws linked only to a specific Weapon can instantly make all other weapons in that category obsolete(balance issue). This is a beast example but im a bst so meh, worked to unlock farsha but often times i cant wear farsha because i require another weapon for wat im doing. During these times im locked out of using this cloudsplitter WS i worked to unlock because its tied into farsha. Would be much more practical if i had been able to quest for cloudsplitter and use it with any axe. And at the same time still have Farsha for when i can truly focus on pure DD (logistical issue).

I think Mythic's was a good balance in that respect. The WS gave added benefits for a mythic user BUT with a quest anyone could get and use the WS. Personally tho id prefer the WS's not be tied to a weapon at all. I would rather the weapon just have really unique and strong stats and make the special WS's available to everyone. With a quest or without a quest it doesnt matter.

If empyreon WS's and relic WS's were questable like mythic WS's, then the balance issue would be solved. The super stupid easy empyreons for the most part would stop being the ultimate top #1 weapons but still maintain a value as a strong weapon. The harder to make mythics would for the most part end up the strongest and the relics would easily pass up the empyreans.

[Ravenmore]

Really its not about being hard since it was never hard to make a relic, time consuming yes. If we had the system we have now for relic they would be more common. Correct me if i'm wrong but the relic data was only for the cenus was one month.