Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Ravenmore]

You can also make it in a hour. Can make more if you then sell the NM pops that you FC up, but doubt you would do that since thats the main reason people FC the suckers are just iceing. After that sell the cruor gear from the crour you will biuld up. People paying to be PL may only be short term but the people willing to buy NMs pops could be long term.

[wish12oz]

The only way to make 3m+ a day from fishing is if you have a buyer for gugrusaurus/lik, and they are going to get their rod if you're fishing up 3m/day of fish for them. So that gravy train will run dry quick.

Hakuryu sell for 10,490g. At 200 a day thats 2.1M/day per character. And it's impossible to hit fatigue on those without cheating.

There is also no point to fishing on a mule if you're fishing up 3m/day of any type of fish because you will spend all your time on your main, he will never hit fatigue on anything that can make that amount of gil. An alt requires you to actually get ebisu rod again and on top of that pay an extra 12.95/month to SE(and again cheat and who is going to risk getting an ebisu rod banned?). These are large obstacles to this method of making gil you are overlooking. Almost nobody but the crazy are going to do this.

You may as well say "If you farm abyssea 20 hours a day on four characters you can make 10mil a day. How long is it going to take me to make a relic making 10mil a day?" without taking into account that requires you to play 20 hours a day and actually HAVE four characters.

Who doesnt have an alt to begin with?
[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] And this along with the other method that was previously mentioned by someone other then me is how 90% of relics were made. So lets see here, which is harder, not playing ffxi and having a ton of gil and buying a relic, or going out and fighting some NMs, no matter how easy.

EDIT: I also clearly said you make the gil by fishing then selling the fish to an NPC, quit saying I wont be able to find buyers.

[Alienmonkey]

Who doesnt have an alt to begin with?
And the amount of time it takes is not important because well....... [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] And this along with the other method that was previously mentioned by someone other then me is how 90% of relics were made. So lets see here, which is harder, not playing ffxi and having a ton of gil and buying a relic, or going out and fighting some NMs, no matter how easy.

Yeah most people have an alt nowdays, but not everyone.
A quick /sea all on valefor shows 1800 people online. There are 2000 ebisus across all servers. Split by 16 that's 125 per server. We know from the census that ~10% of players have fishing level 100. Ignoring the fact that 1800 on valefor is just what is online now, and not the actual active playerbase, 7% of currently online players would have an ebisu rod.

You are saying that multiple ebisu = easy relic. So you need at least 2x ebisu to make it worthwhile. Let's be generous and take 2% of that 7% and give it to another 2% of players. So we have 5% of the playerbase with ebisu rods and 2% of those that have multiple ebisu rods. So 2% of the currently online playerbase(the real amount is lower) have an easy time making a relic. That doesn't seem like a lot to me. Two percent. How does that make relics easy for the other 98% I wonder?

And on top of all that, we are also assuming that all of them are willing to cheat and risk the banhammer, which I don't think is the case.

EDIT: I also clearly said you make the gil by fishing then selling the fish to an NPC, quit saying I wont be able to find buyers.

Then you're just plain wrong. You can't make 3m/day fishing with vendor to npc.

[Insaniac]

And this along with the other method that was previously mentioned by someone other then me is how 90% of relics were made.

You are out of your mind if you believe this. That figure is probably more like 2%.

[wish12oz]

I'm simply pointing out the easiest way to do it, and how most were obtained. I don't really care how many ebisu's there are or how many people have 100 fishing, if you did it every day you could have one in under 3 months starting from nothing. And if you wanted lots of gil its the best way to go about obtaining it. There's a reason RMTs always fish botted like crazy, its because it made tons and tons of gil with no effort.

[wish12oz]

You are out of your mind if you believe this. That figure is probably more like 2%.

There was a guy on my old server, he RMTd 3 relics then got hit by salvage bans, came back and bought 3 more, thats probably more then 2% by itself.
(2% for that server)

[Alienmonkey]

The gp for serpent rumors is going to take a whole month on its own. If its so easy why isn't your fishing 100 with multiple ebisu?

[Insaniac]

There was a guy on my old server, he RMTd 3 relics then got hit by salvage bans, came back and bought 3 more, thats probably more then 2% by itself.
(2% for that server)

Because 6 is 2% of 6000 right? (We aren't talking about your old server we're talking all servers) Relics were number 1 for years and years. If it was sooo easy there would be 100,000 of them seeing as we already have 15,000(?) emps in less than a year right? Also RMTs didn't make a ton of gil individually they fished cheap junk on a huge scale and controlled the market. The majority of relics were funded by HNM linkshell payouts and Dynamis sponsoring. I don't understand why some people want so badly to believe that anyone with a relic lied cheated and stole to get it.

[Coldbrand]

So, is it worth making a Bravura now then?

I just want to point out you're the kind of player I dislike. You have no real attachment to any of these weapons or items, you just want what's best at this particular moment.

[Cream_Soda]

I just want to point out you're the kind of player I dislike. You have no real attachment to any of these weapons or items, you just want what's best at this particular moment.

And? I loved getting my Usuaken armor. It took what felt like forever. When the af3 came out, I moved to it. I'm not going to wear inferior gear just because.

What I'm attached to is the journey and time it takes to get these items, not the items themselves.

Just because I don't use Usukane anymore doesn't mean I regret the journey and the process I took to obtain it.

If there is something better than what I have, I'll make means to obtain it. New journeys for new memories.