Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Alhanelem]

Anything you don't need to even do the event it come from is not hard.

Buying all your currency from bazaars is impractical and will take longer than either just doing the event or doing both. Buying it all also requires nearly to possibly more than 200 million gil depending on your server, while getting the currency yourself is now extremely cheap in terms of cost. Additionally, you DO have to do the event- You need all the city wins and the beaucadine win to be able to complete all the tasks required in addition to the currency. Before they removed casting warp from the animated weapons, they weren't that easy, and attestations weren't always so easy too (and you'd often have to do the fight multiple times).

[Byrth]

1.5mil in a week= 100 currency in a week. You'd be better off solo farming Dynamis. You need 17k currency to make a relic weapon, unless I'm remembering wrong.

[Ravenmore]

People can't read can they. 1.5 mil doing something I would be doing anyway.

[Byrth]

People can't read can they. 1.5 mil doing something I would be doing anyway.

I do it too, but you aren't exactly making "Relic-blitzing" quantities of gil there. 1.5mil/day and you'd be approaching what you can solo through Dynamis.

If you want to make the argument that relics are easy to get, you should just say, "Well, I can enter Dynamis for free every day and solo about 100 currency average."

[wish12oz]

I do it too, but you aren't exactly making "Relic-blitzing" quantities of gil there. 1.5mil/day and you'd be approaching what you can solo through Dynamis.

If you want to make the argument that relics are easy to get, you should just say, "Well, I can enter Dynamis for free every day and solo about 100 currency average."

Or you could just talk about how much gil you can make every day fishing..... and hope people can figure out on their own why its such a big deal that you can make 3m/character/day fishing.

[wish12oz]

I can make 3 mil a day fishing with 1 character, how long will it take me to buy a relic?
How about if I fish on my mule+my main+my alt account?

When I say this, I mean fishing up fish, then selling those fish to NPCs.

[Alienmonkey]

I can make 3 mil a day fishing with 1 character, how long will it take me to buy a relic?
How about if I fish on my mule+my main+my alt account?

When I say this, I mean fishing up fish, then selling those fish to NPCs.

The only way to make 3m+ a day from fishing is if you have a buyer for gugrusaurus/lik, and they are going to get their rod if you're fishing up 3m/day of fish for them. So that gravy train will run dry quick.

Hakuryu sell for 10,490g. At 200 a day thats 2.1M/day per character. And it's impossible to hit fatigue on those without cheating.

There is also no point to fishing on a mule if you're fishing up 3m/day of any type of fish because you will spend all your time on your main, he will never hit fatigue on anything that can make that amount of gil. An alt requires you to actually get ebisu rod again and on top of that pay an extra 12.95/month to SE(and again cheat and who is going to risk getting an ebisu rod banned?). These are large obstacles to this method of making gil you are overlooking. Almost nobody but the crazy are going to do this.

You may as well say "If you farm abyssea 20 hours a day on four characters you can make 10mil a day. How long is it going to take me to make a relic making 10mil a day?" without taking into account that requires you to play 20 hours a day and actually HAVE four characters.

[wish12oz]

The only way to make 3m+ a day from fishing is if you have a buyer for gugrusaurus/lik, and they are going to get their rod if you're fishing up 3m/day of fish for them. So that gravy train will run dry quick.

Hakuryu sell for 10,490g. At 200 a day thats 2.1M/day per character. And it's impossible to hit fatigue on those without cheating.

There is also no point to fishing on a mule if you're fishing up 3m/day of any type of fish because you will spend all your time on your main, he will never hit fatigue on anything that can make that amount of gil. An alt requires you to actually get ebisu rod again and on top of that pay an extra 12.95/month to SE(and again cheat and who is going to risk getting an ebisu rod banned?). These are large obstacles to this method of making gil you are overlooking. Almost nobody but the crazy are going to do this.

You may as well say "If you farm abyssea 20 hours a day on four characters you can make 10mil a day. How long is it going to take me to make a relic making 10mil a day?" without taking into account that requires you to play 20 hours a day and actually HAVE four characters.

Who doesnt have an alt to begin with?
[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] And this along with the other method that was previously mentioned by someone other then me is how 90% of relics were made. So lets see here, which is harder, not playing ffxi and having a ton of gil and buying a relic, or going out and fighting some NMs, no matter how easy.

EDIT: I also clearly said you make the gil by fishing then selling the fish to an NPC, quit saying I wont be able to find buyers.

[Alienmonkey]

Who doesnt have an alt to begin with?
And the amount of time it takes is not important because well....... [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] And this along with the other method that was previously mentioned by someone other then me is how 90% of relics were made. So lets see here, which is harder, not playing ffxi and having a ton of gil and buying a relic, or going out and fighting some NMs, no matter how easy.

Yeah most people have an alt nowdays, but not everyone.
A quick /sea all on valefor shows 1800 people online. There are 2000 ebisus across all servers. Split by 16 that's 125 per server. We know from the census that ~10% of players have fishing level 100. Ignoring the fact that 1800 on valefor is just what is online now, and not the actual active playerbase, 7% of currently online players would have an ebisu rod.

You are saying that multiple ebisu = easy relic. So you need at least 2x ebisu to make it worthwhile. Let's be generous and take 2% of that 7% and give it to another 2% of players. So we have 5% of the playerbase with ebisu rods and 2% of those that have multiple ebisu rods. So 2% of the currently online playerbase(the real amount is lower) have an easy time making a relic. That doesn't seem like a lot to me. Two percent. How does that make relics easy for the other 98% I wonder?

And on top of all that, we are also assuming that all of them are willing to cheat and risk the banhammer, which I don't think is the case.

EDIT: I also clearly said you make the gil by fishing then selling the fish to an NPC, quit saying I wont be able to find buyers.

Then you're just plain wrong. You can't make 3m/day fishing with vendor to npc.

[Insaniac]

And this along with the other method that was previously mentioned by someone other then me is how 90% of relics were made.

You are out of your mind if you believe this. That figure is probably more like 2%.