Reopened: How can Empyrean be better than Relics?

[Korpg]

Metatron with 90 bravura does a bit more then ukkos when it doesn't get crits, and I'm speaking of occasions when acc is not capped, and you don't get crits. At this point, Bravura is way better for damage. (the only thing that falls into this catagory right now is higher tier voidwatch mobs)

So, is it worth making a Bravura now then?

[wish12oz]

So, is it worth making a Bravura now then?

No, lol, ask again at 99.
(I say this because we have no idea what mobs we will be fighting at 99 or what they will be like, and voidwatch isn't even worth doing right now. All the good drops are EX and they always go to the wrong person, so forget it, its to much trouble to not get anything out of it.)

[Coldbrand]

So, is it worth making a Bravura now then?

I just want to point out you're the kind of player I dislike. You have no real attachment to any of these weapons or items, you just want what's best at this particular moment.

[Cream_Soda]

I just want to point out you're the kind of player I dislike. You have no real attachment to any of these weapons or items, you just want what's best at this particular moment.

And? I loved getting my Usuaken armor. It took what felt like forever. When the af3 came out, I moved to it. I'm not going to wear inferior gear just because.

What I'm attached to is the journey and time it takes to get these items, not the items themselves.

Just because I don't use Usukane anymore doesn't mean I regret the journey and the process I took to obtain it.

If there is something better than what I have, I'll make means to obtain it. New journeys for new memories.

[wish12oz]

I just want to point out you're the kind of player I dislike. You have no real attachment to any of these weapons or items, you just want what's best at this particular moment.

And you're the kind of person who I dislike, because you can't move on to new gear/strategies/play styles/etc/etc/etc and live in the past with your relics and kings and sky and salvage.

I don't understand why some people want so badly to believe that anyone with a relic lied cheated and stole to get it.

You seem to be unaware of this so let me spell it out for you, all those people with the awesome gear either cheat, or play with a bunch of people who cheat and profit from it. Quit deluding yourself and thinking the 1% of people with everything who don't cheat are the norm.

The gp for serpent rumors is going to take a whole month on its own. If its so easy why isn't your fishing 100 with multiple ebisu?

Who says I don't have 100 fishings and ebisus? just from checking my FFXIAH you can see I have 50 fishing and lu shangs, use that to find and check my guildwork you can find my alt and see the same can be said of her. Who says I don't have other characters that I fish on and just use my mains to get the lu shangs for the mules to get them started? And just for the record, relics were never worth the investment for me, I used my gil for other things, still do. Maybe if they become superior at 99 I will give a crap, til then, g horn mule is all I'll ever care to do.

[Alienmonkey]

And you're the kind of person who I dislike, because you can't move on to new gear/strategies/play styles/etc/etc/etc and live in the past with your relics and kings and sky and salvage.



You seem to be unaware of this so let me spell it out for you, all those people with the awesome gear either cheat, or play with a bunch of people who cheat and profit from it. Quit deluding yourself and thinking the 1% of people with everything who don't cheat are the norm.



Who says I don't have 100 fishings and ebisus? just from checking my FFXIAH you can see I have 50 fishing and lu shangs, use that to find and check my guildwork you can find my alt and see the same can be said of her. Who says I don't have other characters that I fish on and just use my mains to get the lu shangs for the mules to get them started? And just for the record, relics were never worth the investment for me, I used my gil for other things, still do. Maybe if they become superior at 99 I will give a crap, til then, g horn mule is all I'll ever care to do.

Show us how easy it is. Start a new account and get a relic within a month.

[Insaniac]

You seem to be unaware of this so let me spell it out for you, all those people with the awesome gear either cheat, or play with a bunch of people who cheat and profit from it. Quit deluding yourself and thinking the 1% of people with everything who don't cheat are the norm..

Oh man.. You're one of those people. Anyone who accomplished more than you was clearly cheating amiright?

Really its not about being hard since it was never hard to make a relic, time consuming yes. If we had the system we have now for relic they would be more common. Correct me if i'm wrong but the relic data was only for the cenus was one month.

Protip: Nothing in this game is hard if you aren't terrible at it. It's all time sinks. Getting an empyrean is easier than most regular magian trials because magian trials are more of a time sink.

[Leonlionheart]

Metatron with 90 bravura does a bit more then ukkos when it doesn't get crits, and I'm speaking of occasions when acc is not capped, and you don't get crits. At this point, Bravura is way better for damage. (the only thing that falls into this catagory right now is higher tier voidwatch mobs)

What the hell am I reading.

Edit: Oh higher tier Voidwatch mobs. Irrelevant point is irrelevant.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Doesn't Ukko's have an unconfirmed critical bonus (as with most critical weaponskills) though? Have heard numbers thrown around but nothing conclusive.

[Korpg]

Don't know, probably does, but it is too early to tell I think. Nobody is going to get any real testing done until 99 probably.