Banned for Windower?

[Ravenmore]

Whm can go naked with a light staff and still be better then any other job at healing. So only hitting one macro is nothing to be proud. Whm is now the new brd were no matter how bad you gear/skills are, people will still invite you simply to have you.

[Defiledsickness]

for rdm/whm/sch i have gear mixed in to every spell on a macro (i play on 360 so no windower for me). rdm i use staff+grip losing the first 2lines with another line for the actual spell leaving room for only 3more gear swaps.

this is efficient enough as AF3 now beats most of the specialized armor in every aspect. when i want to do more dmg or have better M.Acc i'll just change the armor that doesnt move by hand. so it would've been awesome if they broke the character limit or added more lines, but the macros are decent enough (i could use 2per spell if i cared enough, but i'd rather cure quickly and move to sleep rather then have 10more acc.)

distance doesn't matter its just a luxury for people who pay too much attention and the parser isn't anything a ballista match couldn't tell you. so...ya, this stuff isnt needed at all.

[Eric]

Actually for those who want to edit registry settings without using regedit or windower gui can download the FFXI calculator. It's free (google it), comes with various other very useful parts and allows you to apply settings to the registry with simple clicks to match your desktop resolution.

It's still a 3rd-party program, therefore just as illegal as windower.

[Greatguardian]

Uh, no. It's a calculator. Is Notepad considered an illegal third party program? Internet explorer? Firefox? Microsoft Excel?

It literally does not affect FFXI at all. At best it allows you to edit Registry settings (Windows settings, not FFXI settings. Windows. Settings.) in a GUI rather than messing with RegEdit.

[Fiarlia]

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While this guy is obviously trolling, his point is still valid. Even casting a Cure spell, you'd need more than 5 lines (on most jobs) to equip your maximum Cure Potency set. After that if you're casting any other spell without changing your gear sets you're not performing as well as you could be. The only spells I can think of that are acceptable to cast in Cure Potency gear besides Cure spells are statless spells (like a good amount of buffs, Dia (1/2/3) and so on) and only if you don't have Haste or Fast Cast gear for the applicable slots (perhaps -Enmity, -SIR, and Conserve MP to a lesser extent, but in most cases those stats are negligible and not worth carrying around extra gear for).

And forget using latent gear like Sorcerer's Ring, Medicine Ring, Minstrel's Ring and so on, or Elemental Obi's/Twilight Cape/Zodiac Ring.

Hell, even if by some miracle of chance you can get away with 5 lines of gearswaps in one macro and be performing at your best (read: extremely unlikely), you should still be hitting 2-3 macros per spell unless you're casting with literally no break between spells, in which case add the extra 1-2 macros at the very end, after the last spell you cast when you get a break. Why 2-3 (or an extra 1-2 at the end of spamming)? One for the spell itself, and then 1-2 after the spell completes to equip your idle set; Refresh/Regen/PDT/MDT/Movement gear (which should probably be more than 1-2 macros, but I'm willing to accept simply Refresh gear in a mages set). Some would argue that an extra macro at the beginning to equip Fast Cast gear should be included as well.

I don't care if you don't have access to windower/its plugins/its extended macro possibilities, Bubeeky, you are not performing as well as you could be.

And before you get all hostile, I'm not flaming you. I doubt we'll ever interact so your lack of striving for perfection really doesn't affect me. Even if we did interact in-game, I don't actually expect perfection of everyone, or anyone for that matter, except myself. I'm not saying you're a gimp for this, but if you think you are performing optimally or even adequately, you, sir, are extremely mistaken. Just the little bit above are clear and perfect examples of how you could better yourself if you so desired, all without the use of windower, and believe me, there are many more examples I didn't list because I'm aware that this post will go in one eye and out the other and be taken as an attack and likely responded to in kind or just outright ignored. People that argue and use the points you do rarely want to improve themselves and take any advice/recommendations/pointers as offense.

[SNK]

I don't think they would ban people just for using windower, there are too many people out there who uses windower to ban.

Banning everyone who uses windower is like committing economical suicide.

That's what someone said about how many people who used the Salvage exploit and they're all still here..... owait...

[Daniel_Hatcher]

That's what someone said about how many people who used the Salvage exploit and they're all still here..... owait...

To be fair that was a massive exploit in the game, Windower from what I know of it is and Enhancing program more than anything else.

[Byrth]

If you look at it in terms of an efficiency increase, it's not hard to argue that tripling the incredibly low drop rates in one event in the game actually affects the game less than having all of your gearswaps done automatically everywhere in the game.

[Greatguardian]

To be fair that was a massive exploit in the game, Windower from what I know of it is and Enhancing program more than anything else.

That's not really the point. The point was simply that the argument "They can't do it because they would ban too many people" is inherently flawed.

Is Windower harmless? Yes. Can it be compared to duping? No. But is it at all safe to say "They can't ban us ever because they would end up banning too many people"? Definitely not.

Windower is left alone because it is harmless. If it suddenly had item duplication features, they'd ban for Windower even if it was 99% of the PC population.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Didn't they ban what... from what I'm seeing from googling it, 550 people for that (perma, another 400 got temp banned)? since the beta SE has banned for exploits so Salvage bans wasn't anything unexpected to anyone who didn't think they were somehow 'entitled' to play the game.