Banned for Windower?

[Greatguardian]

This, the sheer number of people both NA and JP who use it would destroy their income from the game.

Eh, I've never been a fan of this argument. People said the exact same thing about the Salvage bans when duping was outed =/.

That said, Windower is 99% harmless (and maintained specifically to stay that way) and adds so much to the game that I highly doubt they care enough to really go after people for using it.

[Elexia]

Eh, I've never been a fan of this argument. People said the exact same thing about the Salvage bans when duping was outed =/.

Yeah, how the game was going to collapse and end because they ban cheaters? That was what, 2 1/2 years ago? Guess FFXI has ended :3

Windower in itself does nothing and the initial argument was "I just want to browse the net or chat on messengers while I play", then SE released windowed mode and suddenly the argument shifted "well it adds functionality SE should have made".

[Rearden]

Yeah, how the game was going to collapse and end because they ban cheaters? That was what, 2 1/2 years ago? Guess FFXI has ended :3

Windower in itself does nothing and the initial argument was "I just want to browse the net or chat on messengers while I play", then SE released windowed mode and suddenly the argument shifted "well it adds functionality SE should have made".

FFXI was dead until the release of Abyssea, though not because of the salvage bans.

Banning for Windower would be Salvage bans on an exponential scale, comparatively the number of people banned for salvage vs windower (in this scenario) would be somewhere around 5% or less.

[Aurara]

Eh, I've never been a fan of this argument. People said the exact same thing about the Salvage bans when duping was outed =/.

That said, Windower is 99% harmless (and maintained specifically to stay that way) and adds so much to the game that I highly doubt they care enough to really go after people for using it.

The thing is that salvage dupes were actually game breaking(if you get what i mean?) with windower it's harmless like you said.

[SNK]

I don't think they would ban people just for using windower, there are too many people out there who uses windower to ban.

Banning everyone who uses windower is like committing economical suicide.

That's what someone said about how many people who used the Salvage exploit and they're all still here..... owait...

[Daniel_Hatcher]

That's what someone said about how many people who used the Salvage exploit and they're all still here..... owait...

To be fair that was a massive exploit in the game, Windower from what I know of it is and Enhancing program more than anything else.

[Greatguardian]

To be fair that was a massive exploit in the game, Windower from what I know of it is and Enhancing program more than anything else.

That's not really the point. The point was simply that the argument "They can't do it because they would ban too many people" is inherently flawed.

Is Windower harmless? Yes. Can it be compared to duping? No. But is it at all safe to say "They can't ban us ever because they would end up banning too many people"? Definitely not.

Windower is left alone because it is harmless. If it suddenly had item duplication features, they'd ban for Windower even if it was 99% of the PC population.

[Shoko]

That's what someone said about how many people who used the Salvage exploit and they're all still here..... owait...

Just to quote you SNK, but SE in the past has been fiercely adamant about banning the mess out of anyone who manipulates the economy via duping. That's basically what happened with Salvage; the same thing happened to people in 2004-2005 who duped K-Clubs via the Trade bug, and with the first people who got to Tav Safehold and used the NPCs that bought gear back for amounts higher than what they sold for.

I'm sure the 3rd party Windower in itself is a problem for them in which they simply enacted a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy after they implemented SE's Windowed version to cut down on GM calls. IIRC, a few years ago SE added a packet of coding that tracked Windower users with a version update-- they probably found that a good deal many of people use it to the extent they could lose money if they went on a banning spree.

[katz]

Windower does give unfair advantages to the game that non windower users dont get. We all know of people who use it to their advantage and saying its just used to be able to macro gear changes is a bit silly. Personally I have no need to use it as I like the game challenges without using it.