Please remove the option to close own threads.

[Kensagaku]

Honestly Katz, I do feel you're overreacting. A person commenting on what they're getting from your comment (i.e. "This is what I understand you to be saying") isn't necessarily a manipulation; they could simply be stating what their view on your words is. If you're being unclear and/or vague, misunderstandings happen. I won't say that people don't manipulate quotes and such at times, but honestly Korpg was simply replying to you and you're essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALA LAST WORD". I don't mean this offensively and I apologize if it comes off as such, but it's a bit of a childish behavior. Especially with the post you blocked Korpg for; he had valid points. Not having English as a first language makes it hard for English people to understand you at times, for one thing, and I know sometimes your posts give me trouble once in a while, though I can generally get the gist of them pretty quickly.

That being said... Rax, Karb's got a point. People are so thin-skinned here that the slightest sarcasm and/or joking is treated as "OMG, YOU'RE BULLYING ME AND YOU'RE A TROLL." It's a social nuance, knowing that people aren't always 100% serious when they say things. More often than not, these jokes aren't meant to be derogatory or hurtful, but are sometimes the best way to point out a problem or absurdity like Karby did. It's no different than when we say "I'm sorry, but you're being absurd by blocking <insert person> for <insert silly offense here>." People will still be just as thin-skinned and still call down flames and trolls. Threads will derail, and the "victim" is just as guilty because they can't learn to take a damn joke. Plus jokes are the best way for us to express our feelings on a matter, but in a less aggressive way. At least in my case it is. ^^;

Either way, you're both fighting over a pretty dumb point. Yer both being hypocritical at points, but what human isn't? No one's perfect. Just let it go already, geez. ~_~

[Karbuncle]

Where did I say I denied being hypocritical? Point that part out to me, please.

Teehee! I was hoping you'd ask that

You are interpreting it wrong.

Right here ^^! I read this as you Implying my assumption on your hypocrisy was wrong. IF you did not deny being hypocritical I fail to see why you would tell me that interpreting your post as "Flame bait", hence "uncalled for" was "Interpreting it wrong", Implying it was not Flame Bait/Uncalled For, hence you werent being hypocritical.

Am i reading too far into it? I bet its the excuse I'll get. But i dont think i am.

And pointing out that you were ignorant of it doesn't change the fact that you are ignorant of it and shouldn't have made a comment on something that you know little to nothing about, just your own experiences with both users. It would have avoided this whole debate.

I'm sorry? I commented on the facts i had at hand. 1) Korpg psots, 2) Katz Blocks him for quoting/responding to him. I'm filled in enough on what i saw to type what i did. While i am ignorant to the preamble to this, It does not change the fact that from the facts i had at my disposal, It looked for all intents and purposes Katz blocked Korpg for Quoting/Responding to him. An Absurd act in my eyes.

The way you worded it is clearly provoking the user and you are thus "trolling." It doesn't matter how you view it on the Internet, it matters how others view it.

I call bubcus, See this is the exact reason why users should not be able to lock threads. I had no intentions on "flamming" him or "Trolling" him. My intention was to point out the absurdity of blocking someone for responding to them.

Do my methods leave room for improvement? Yah, I don't deny this one bit. Looking back i honestly believe i could have acted better. However, Even if i went back and changed it my actions have already happened and what i did can not be taken back. So no matter how much i want to go back and change it, I can't. I'm stuck with the choices i made. Its a sad truth, no amount of regret will change it.

So no, My intents weren't trolling in any way, Only to maybe point out to him that his actions were absurd/extreme and he shouldn't block someone for responding to him.

Edit: In Honor of Kens post, I will end the argument here. Rax get your last post it and I promise I won't respond on this anymore. I admitted to my wrongs, and he's right. We're talking in circles. I know what i did wrong and i could have gone about it differently, But i honestly feel nothing would have changed.

I'd be called a troll no matter how i said it, because again, People don't understand the difference between trolling, and disagreeing, or pointing out absurd actions. To them its all the same.

[Raxiaz]

No, I will not stand by and watch as one of the human race's downfalls is clearly abused. The inability to actually understand what another person is meaning is the exact reason for many conflicts. It's also why society can't advance as fast as it should. People don't take time to understand ****, they just read/hear what is stated and interpret it for themselves. They don't know what the **** the other person really means. They just THINK they do. If they're right, awesome, if wrong, what happens then? Nothing? Nothing is hardly ever what happens in a misunderstanding.

Misunderstandings lead to stupid bull**** like this. They also lead to fights, wars, and death. Saying they don't is ignorant. Yes, I'm standing by that statement.

This game alone even has it stated that the inability to communicate freely without misunderstanding is one of many civilizations' downfalls...

[Raxiaz]

Teehee! I was hoping you'd ask that



Right here ^^! I read this as you Implying my assumption on your hypocrisy was wrong. IF you did not deny being hypocritical I fail to see why you would tell me that interpreting your post as "Flame bait", hence "uncalled for" was "Interpreting it wrong", Implying it was not Flame Bait/Uncalled For, hence you werent being hypocritical.

Am i reading too far into it? I bet its the excuse I'll get. But i dont think i am.



I'm sorry? I commented on the facts i had at hand. 1) Korpg psots, 2) Katz Blocks him for quoting/responding to him. I'm filled in enough on what i saw to type what i did. While i am ignorant to the preamble to this, It does not change the fact that from the facts i had at my disposal, It looked for all intents and purposes Katz blocked Korpg for Quoting/Responding to him. An Absurd act in my eyes.




I call bubcus, See this is the exact reason why users should not be able to lock threads. I had no intentions on "flamming" him or "Trolling" him. My intention was to point out the absurdity of blocking someone for responding to them.

Do my methods leave room for improvement? Yah, I don't deny this one bit. Looking back i honestly believe i could have acted better. However, Even if i went back and changed it my actions have already happened and what i did can not be taken back. So no matter how much i want to go back and change it, I can't. I'm stuck with the choices i made. Its a sad truth, no amount of regret will change it.

So no, My intents weren't trolling in any way, Only to maybe point out to him that his actions were absurd/extreme and he shouldn't block someone for responding to him.

Edit: In Honor of Kens post, I will end the argument here. Rax get your last post it and I promise I won't respond on this anymore. I admitted to my wrongs, and he's right. We're talking in circles. I know what i did wrong and i could have gone about it differently, But i honestly feel nothing would have changed.

I'd be called a troll no matter how i said it, because again, People don't understand the difference between trolling, and disagreeing, or pointing out absurd actions. To them its all the same.

LIKE'd. Yeah, I LIKE'd a post going against me.

"You are interpreting it wrong." was a statement on your interpretations of Korpg's/Kat's relation to each other. I did not intend for that to be a statement on your interpretations of my posts.

[Rhianu]

To close your own thread because you don't get the feedback/support you expected from other forum members, is a cowardly thing to do. I can't think of any other FFXI forum that I frequent, that give forum members access to this. Deleting posts, yes - but not closing threads.

GameFAQs allows users to close their own topics if no one has posted in them for a certain amount of time.

[Karbuncle]

GameFAQs allows users to close their own topics if no one has posted in them for a certain amount of time.

That wouldn't be a bad way to change it if you ask me.

It would leave people to talk if they were so doing, and if it got too bad GMs would lock it, But it gives the OP the power to close a thread that for all intents and purposes is dead.

Its a sensible way to handle it. I like it.

[Raksha]

GameFAQs allows users to close their own topics if no one has posted in them for a certain amount of time.

Yeah that sounds like a good idea.

[Kensagaku]

No, I will not stand by and watch as one of the human race's downfalls is clearly abused. The inability to actually understand what another person is meaning is the exact reason for many conflicts. It's also why society can't advance as fast as it should. People don't take time to understand ****, they just read/hear what is stated and interpret it for themselves. They don't know what the **** the other person really means. They just THINK they do. If they're right, awesome, if wrong, what happens then? Nothing? Nothing is hardly ever what happens in a misunderstanding.

Misunderstandings lead to stupid bull**** like this. They also lead to fights, wars, and death. Saying they don't is ignorant. Yes, I'm standing by that statement.

This game alone even has it stated that the inability to communicate freely without misunderstanding is one of many civilizations' downfalls...

You're really taking an extremist view on this. We're not going to start wars or kill each other over a misunderstanding on a game. The worst that's going to happen here is someone is going to get butthurt and block another user or close their thread because they don't like people disagreeing. If someone's so thin-skinned that they're going to hurt themselves or something more over this or a little internet reputation, they're not going to survive in general society. People aren't always sugarcoating their words and more often than not will speak their minds in the most blunt manner, i.e. either using sarcasm to denote that they disagree/disapprove or simply flat out saying "no, you're wrong."

You're no saint yourself, few are and I know I'm sure as hell not, yet you're talking about the crusade to "not watch as one of the human race's downfalls is clearly abused". What downfall? The fact that we misunderstand? It's not necessarily that someone is purposely misinterpreting, but that we make assumptions based on the information we're given and go from there. If we do not know the whole story, it is because we were not present to learn of it. We can only use the information we have, and from the information provided, Katz did seem to be blocking him for a silly reason. I know a good deal of the backstory after watching them argue and I still think it's a dumb reason.

Still, you're looking far too deeply into what's simply a game forum. If this was a political event then yes, it could have extreme consequences. But here? No, not really. It feels like you're just preaching and honestly, it makes you come off with an unlikeable (to me, maybe not to others.) "Holier than thou" attitude. You're just as guilty of making misinterpretations, and just leaping down throats because someone else misunderstands due to a lack of information is hypocrisy, just as you said.

And ugh. Last word, can't back down from an argument, etc. Yay being a hypocrite myself about ending the argument bit. :s

GameFAQs allows users to close their own topics if no one has posted in them for a certain amount of time.

I like this idea. Mods still have the main control over threads but if something's dying people can close it so we don't have huge necrobumps out of the blue.

[Tamoa]

GameFAQs allows users to close their own topics if no one has posted in them for a certain amount of time.

That is not a forum I frequent - in fact, I have never been to that forum.

Also, that's a different thing altogether. If members of this forum were allowed to close their own thread if noone's posted in it for say, 2 weeks, or however long, I wouldn't mind. As it is now though, we can start a topic, close it at will, reopen at will, and even override forum mod locks. Which is utterly ridiculous.

That being said... Rax, Karb's got a point. People are so thin-skinned here that the slightest sarcasm and/or joking is treated as "OMG, YOU'RE BULLYING ME AND YOU'RE A TROLL." It's a social nuance, knowing that people aren't always 100% serious when they say things. More often than not, these jokes aren't meant to be derogatory or hurtful, but are sometimes the best way to point out a problem or absurdity like Karby did. It's no different than when we say "I'm sorry, but you're being absurd by blocking <insert person> for <insert silly offense here>." People will still be just as thin-skinned and still call down flames and trolls. Threads will derail, and the "victim" is just as guilty because they can't learn to take a damn joke. Plus jokes are the best way for us to express our feelings on a matter, but in a less aggressive way. At least in my case it is. ^^;

This, very much this. I do believe I have said it before, if you can't handle people disagreeing with you, or pointing out a flaw in your argument, even saying outright they think whatever idea/opinion you posted is dumb, you really shouldn't be posting on this or any other discussion forum at all.

As for those whose 1st language isn't English - well, I'm one of those people. I try to make a point of using correct English, and wording myself as carefully as I can. I can't say I have seen anyone being ridiculed here for bad English if it's obvious they are from a non-English speaking country.

[Raxiaz]

It's not a "holier than thou" attitude it's a blunt statement. Misunderstandings start crap all the time. I'm not saying we're going to start wars on an internet gaming forum, but if we're not stopping to think about what someone says on a freakin' message board, how the hell do you expect us to stop and think about what someone says or does in the real world?

Completely missed the point, I see...