Please remove the option to close own threads.

[Korpg]

And the debate rages on.
If you start a topic that is based on let say FFXI and it changes to become a cooking discussion, what you are saying is the original person who wanted to know about ffxi doesnt have the right to close the thread down because its not staying on topic but you want to pay someone else to go close it down for you because you like to see the topic ffxi being used to discuss cooking.

Because if the topic went from playing Paladin to cooking a pie, by terms of service agreement we all made when we signed up to this forum that is an automatic banable offence. This forum is for FFXI and FFXI only. Why do you think it is called "FFXI official forum?"

Now, if the topic goes from "Relic/Mystic/Emp staves are worthless" to "Summoner Melee is worthless" then that is, by extension, on topic. Because which of the jobs able to equip any relic/mystic/emp staves are able to melee without compromising their set role? Is it plausible for a BLM or SCH to melee when they are supposed to be nuking? Only SMN can get away with meleeing, because the people who let the SMN melee are too....<insert derogatory comment here>...to know otherwise. But yeah, it is still on topic.

[Greatguardian]

Opinion, opinion, opinion - can you give me one real fact why people shouldn't be able to close their own threads? All I'm hearing is "Wahh, wahh, wahh, I can't put my opinion on teh intarwebz."

Simple. The option to close your own thread directly allows players to open threads that a GM has locked.

I'd imagine their web designer is getting a reaming sometime today, but I highly doubt there's anything they can do to fix it aside from simply removing the OP ability to open/close threads.

[katiekat]

my question to thos for getting rid of the close topic button is this. say i ask for a clarification on sum thing the dev's post and it is ancerd why should i not be alaed to lock it? the post was ancerd why keep it open?

i ask because am on the fence about this i see both sides and thus cane make up my mind

[Alienmonkey]

Because there is still valuable discussion to be had after a community rep answers.

[Karbuncle]

And the debate rages on.
If you start a topic that is based on let say FFXI and it changes to become a cooking discussion, what you are saying is the original person who wanted to know about ffxi doesnt have the right to close the thread down because its not staying on topic but you want to pay someone else to go close it down for you because you like to see the topic ffxi being used to discuss cooking.

That seems like an Extreme example, But to answer this extreme example, Its a GMs/Moderator's Job to do this. Not ours. If a topic goes off your discussion into fruit pies, No its not your right to close a thread, Its your right to report the people doing it so a GM closes it. But no, It should not be your right to do it yourself.

Again I make the argument, Common folk aren't neutral, They're biased petty insecure people who for the most part can't handle disagreement or constructive criticism. giving them the power to stop everything is simply asking for this forum to deteriorate into locked topics and undiscussed conversations.

Hell you can even unlock a thread when a GM locked it. Somethings wrong with that too.

Opinion, opinion, opinion - can you give me one real fact why people shouldn't be able to close their own threads? All I'm hearing is "Wahh, wahh, wahh, I can't put my opinion on teh intarwebz."

Can you give me some facts on why we should keep it? All i hear is "Waah waah waah I want to be able to deny and stop anyones voice or opinion at a moments notice because i can't handle constructive criticism"

Point is, Locking a thread is a mod power, and should stay as such. If you feel your topic is going away from what you wanted, who gives a frock, If a conversation got to the point it was off topic and nothing positive was coming from it, a GM would lock the thread. As it should be.

Conversations will almost never stay 100% on topic. Side-Conversaitons/debates happen on every website. Most of these are productive and generally lead to some positive information. Some aren't. Those that aren't get deleted/Locked, Those that are now also get deleted/locked if the OP is incapable of handling the fact his topic isn't being discussed in the butt-kissing manner he had hoped.

This leads to an unhealthy environment for discussion, because if the OP decide this discussion isn't worth his time, thread is locked, and conversation ends.

You can always re-open the topic by starting a new one, But then i ask you, why bother having a lock thread option if its possible to simply start another thread quoting the OP and continue the discussion, making the entire locking pointless to begin with?

my question to thos for getting rid of the close topic button is this. say i ask for a clarification on sum thing the dev's post and it is ancerd why should i not be alaed to lock it? the post was ancerd why keep it open?

i ask because am on the fence about this i see both sides and thus cane make up my mind

Thats probably the kind of thing people had in mind when they instituted this, and is the only positive reasoning behind the entire patch.

But also remember sometimes a lot is left to be discussed after a Dev response, Especially the actual response.

[katiekat]

i would like to get a rep's response to this topic see what SE thinks

[Karbuncle]

i would like to get a rep's response to this topic see what SE thinks

This conversation is far to "heated" to see a Rep response i think :X. Plus they might not even be able to comment on Website issues?

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Could just do it if they don't want to remove it that the thread can not be reopened when locked and that you can't open multiple topics for a set period of time in between opening one.

[Karbuncle]

Could just do it if they don't want to remove it that the thread can not be reopened when locked and that you can't open multiple topics for a set period of time in between opening one.

While good, It wouldn't solve the core problem.

Which is only that some people simply should not be given the power to lock threads. Because if you check all the player locked threads they're either

A) Mockingly Locked (locked because they can/for fun/to show its abuse)

B) Locked because the OP Didn't like where conversation was going
*B2 Generally When the above happens, The OP leaves a Snarky-Aggressive "I am god" response before locking

C) Legitimately locked because OP Got an answer to his question
*C2 Sometimes conversation within the thread aren't properly fleshed. More information could come from this thread to help future readers.

--- The problem is A and B outweigh C 100 to 1, and sometimes C isn't even that positive*. Which is why i say the System is open for abuse. its not that it wasn't a good idea on paper, Its just common posters should not have that power, because it leads to pettiness and abuse.

*For instance, Say you're having a discussion on merits for XXX job, a few people respond, and it turns into a better/worse debate on pros/cons of those merits. however the OP Decides "I got enough info" and locks the thread. Now a debate which could help future readers (I.E fully learning pros and cons of certain merit choices) has been shut down, unfinished.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

While good, It wouldn't solve the core problem.

Which is only that some people simply should not be given the power to lock threads. Because if you check all the player locked threads they're either

A) Mockingly Locked (locked because they can/for fun/to show its abuse)

B) Locked because the OP Didn't like where conversation was going
*B2 Generally When the above happens, The OP leaves a Snarky-Aggressive "I am god" response before locking

C) Legitimately locked because OP Got an answer to his question
*C2 Sometimes conversation within the thread aren't properly fleshed. More information could come from this thread to help future readers.

--- The problem is A and B outweigh C 100 to 1, and sometimes C isn't even that positive*. Which is why i say the System is open for abuse. its not that it wasn't a good idea on paper, Its just common posters should not have that power, because it leads to pettiness and abuse.

*For instance, Say you're having a discussion on merits for XXX job, a few people respond, and it turns into a better/worse debate on pros/cons of those merits. however the OP Decides "I got enough info" and locks the thread. Now a debate which could help future readers (I.E fully learning pros and cons of certain merit choices) has been shut down, unfinished.

True enough, I suppose they could add a vote to unlock?!

It's tricky because it's a decent idea as it allows less strict moderating, but obviously as said it can and is being abused.