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  1. #101
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    How does any of it consist of forcing opinions down throats? I'm certainly not seeing it. I see two sides of a debate, with both trying to argue their view on it. By choosing to read the thread, you choose to see the content within it. There's no force involved, just a willing choice to see what is in it. All that we have here is one side, who feels that the whole option of closing one's own thread can and is being abused, and the other side, which sees potential use for the ability to close threads and positives from their perspective. It's a simple debate, and if we cannot share our opinions, then what's the point of this forum? To bow down and say "Yes sir/m'am!" to every thread opener so that they can get a sense of pride over some little internet achievement? Yeah no.

    You're just attacking the thread without adding anything meaningful to the discussion. If you don't feel that the feature should be removed, you're entitled to your opinion and your right to voice it here. That's the point of this thread; to get an idea of how people feel on the matter, and to express points from both sides. It may or may not change anything, but people are entitled to that right. If anyone's forcing an opinion down peoples' throats, it's you.

    @Korpg (I spelled it right this time. D: )

    Could be trying to lower the prices overall. Dunno, something like that, I guess.


    On topic...

    Reading through the posts, I'm still not convinced that being able to close one's own thread is a good idea. Karby gave a good example that I'm having a hard time expanding on: people generally don't close a thread because it's been "legitimately answered." For the most part people close a thread because they either don't get the answer they want, or they want to save face. Usually both. Discussions get cut off, or possible debate that could perhaps clarify or improve on a situation is taken away before it can reach its end. I honestly can't think of many ways that it's good to be able to close your own thread. Maybe if it got far too derailed/trolled (unless it was a terrible topic such as how gil needs to be green or something) it would be worth closing to end it, but for the most part there's far more negative to it than positive.
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    If the topic really matters to you, and you weren't the OP, then you create a thread to continue it.
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    Cept MNK (Got up to 41 in 2009). All that time wasted camping Retaliators....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linh View Post
    If the topic really matters to you, and you weren't the OP, then you create a thread to continue it.
    Then why have the ability to lock a thread to begin with if theres such an easy work around? seems kinda pointless to have a power to stop a discussion when anybody can immediately re-open it.

    Contradicting the entire reasoning behind it to begin with... :\
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    Then why have the ability to lock a thread to begin with if theres such an easy work around? seems kinda pointless to have a power to stop a discussion when anybody can immediately re-open it.

    Contradicting the entire reasoning behind it to begin with... :\
    It's not stopping the discussion if you create a thread to continue it.
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    90 MNK. 90 BLM. 90 COR. 90 WAR.

    All POST-Abyssea LEECHED and proud of it.

    Cept MNK (Got up to 41 in 2009). All that time wasted camping Retaliators....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linh View Post
    It's not stopping the discussion if you create a thread to continue it.
    Yes thats precisely my point.

    If the point of the Closing your own thread option was to stop discussion at OP's discretion, would not simply recreating a thread backpedal the entire point of that power in the first place?

    making the power as a whole meaningless when there is such a simple work around...

    (I Don't think you understood me right >.<)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    Yes thats precisely my point.

    If the point of the Closing your own thread option was to stop discussion at OP's discretion, would not simply recreating a thread backpedal the entire point of that power in the first place?

    making the power as a whole meaningless when there is such a simple work around...

    (I Don't think you understood me right >.<)
    But the discussion was able to continue...
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    90 MNK. 90 BLM. 90 COR. 90 WAR.

    All POST-Abyssea LEECHED and proud of it.

    Cept MNK (Got up to 41 in 2009). All that time wasted camping Retaliators....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linh View Post
    But the discussion was able to continue...
    But now, the front page is a mess of rage-locked threads and their duplicates. It looks messy and it pushes a variety of otherwise worthwhile threads off the front page.

    Thread discussions that would normally continue for days are artificially stunted when threads slip off the front page. That loss of visibility does impact thread discussions. I, like many other posters and non-posting browsers, usually will not spend the time reading through discussions off the front page.

    The current clutter negatively affects the visibility and variety of live discussions on the front page, and General Discussion suffers as a result.
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    Until the first original poster of the butthurt thread who deleted everything to try to save face decided to complain to a mod stating that slander was issued by everyone against the butthurt poster.

    You try to defend your thread and calmly state that they are oversensitive and most likely attention whores and wished to continue to show them how much wrong their original thread/idea was. But any constructive criticism in their eyes is the same as slander.

    Mods should only have the power to shutdown threads. And any threads opened/reopened right away from shutdown threads should also be deleted and that poster banned.

    Heck, I hope that the one who constantly cried slander and such was banned for being too thinned-skinned.
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    Yeah, I think far too many posters associate friendly disagreements and discussion as slander, flaming, and trolling. Not everyone will share the same opinion and viewpoint on every subject, and not all ideas are good ones. That's life, really.

    Forums would be so boring if everyone agreed on everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeek View Post
    Yeah, I think far too many posters associate friendly disagreements and discussion as slander, flaming, and trolling. Not everyone will share the same opinion and viewpoint on every subject, and not all ideas are good ones. That's life, really.

    Forums would be so boring if everyone agreed on everything.
    Oh, I don't care if they agree with me or not, or if we share the same opinion, which in this previous case we didn't.

    What bugs me besides the fact that that one poster made a lie out of me, was that he was so quick to throw slander into the pot but wouldn't accept the fact that he is dishing out just as much "slander" as he says he was receiving. He doesn't realize that he is just as guilty of "breaking the rules" as anyone else is, even though no rules were broken.
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