Poles. A Plea to FFXI Staff Before Updates.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

So "update" after "update." It's getting kind of hard to call some of them that. It seems that SE is having trouble sifting out what is an idea that supported by the community, what is mearly a farse or others that are nothing more then complainers complaining. So in responce I suggest this to the FFXI staff.

Before implementing any updates, issue poles to see how supported the content is by the community at large.

[Runespider]

I don't think polls are the answer really, they only get a snapshot of what the users here want and honestly it's not always best to implmenet stuff people want. If that were the case everyone would get full +2 and an emp by doing 3 emotes in a row.

I think the main problem they have is adding stuff that's cheap to make atm, they want us to keep playing but they don't wanna spend too much money or effort to keep it that way. Cashcow ultimate edtion mode.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I don't think polls are the answer really, they only get a snapshot of what the users here want and honestly it's not always best to implmenet stuff people want.

This is exactly what these forums are doing and SE is using these forums as a medium to create these updates. Is what I am saying is that before they arbitrarily implement them based on these finding, they should pole it to see if they came to the correct conclusion.

[Yarly]

This is exactly what these forums are doing and SE is using these forums as a medium to create these updates. Is what I am saying is that before they arbitrarily implement them based on these finding, they should pole it to see if they came to the correct conclusion.

You're delusional if you think SE only reads this forum. Ideas come from the ENTIRE community, not just the tiny slice of it that post on these forums. The majority of great ideas came from OTHER forums. Yes, even the one that everyone here believes to be the hell of ffxi. In all honesty, people like you are keeping these forums from reaching full potential.

[blowfin]

You're delusional if you think SE only reads this forum. Ideas come from the ENTIRE community, not just the tiny slice of it that post on these forums. The majority of great ideas came from OTHER forums. Yes, even the one that everyone here believes to be the hell of ffxi.

You're delusional if you don't think these forums were setup to facilitate easier communication between the playerbase and the developers. To work towards a more centralized, efficient way of gathering player feedback so ideas and feedback aren't scattered like a buckshot. If you want to be heard, this should be the first place you post. People would do well to contribute rather than being a martyr for their particular slice of the community and drop all the "this idea came from here" BS that - to be perfectly blunt - is a pretty shitty attitude.

Let's not forget the sub-forums for JP/EU players too, the English forums probably aren't even half the userbase on this forum.

In all honesty, people like you are keeping these forums from reaching full potential.

Well, putting your money where your mouth is, and resisting the urge to post like a schoolkid would go a long way for a lot of people around here too.

It's funny coming back here after a little hiatus from the game, the most abrasive and pig headed posts seem to come from those who claim (or at least try to appear) to have the most knowledge and experience.

Edit: not that I think polls are a good idea either, let alone player poles. I do like the little choices we're getting for interface options and the like though.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Let's not forget the sub-forums for JP/EU players too, the English forums probably aren't even half the userbase on this forum.

On that note, we've had threads with more posts in them then the combined posts of the JP/EU forums. Not saying they lack content, just saying the NA talks a lot.

[Malamasala]

Example of SE listening to the wrong people:

Avatar's Favor

Example of SE listening to the correct people:

Never happened

[Karbuncle]

Example of SE listening to the wrong people:

Avatar's Favor

Example of SE listening to the correct people:

Never happened

While the "right" people are subjective from person to person, I feel some updates most people could agree with would be:

1) Salvage Update. ("Chest" at the beginning, etc, made it generally a bit more bearable)
2) Ullikummi
3) Sky gods dropping more than 1 pop item
4) abjurations from other sources (einherjar)
5) Lowered requirement for Alexandrite (even though they didnt lower it a lot)
6) Increased Iceland Drop rates.
7) Improvements to Treasure Hunter
8) Multiple Spawns for Monster in Abyssea
9) Splitting of BP timers to BP:Rage and BP:ward
10) Skilling up from Bloodpacts
11) Last Resort duration increased
12) BP:Ward range increased
13) Sentinel update from being just Defense to a PDT
14) Addition of Blink/Stoneskin to SCH sub.

I can't think of any more right now but give them some credit... They listen to the right people sometimes.

[Rie]

I really did think this was about weapons.

[Malamasala]

While the "right" people are subjective from person to person, I feel some updates most people could agree with would be:

1) Salvage Update. ("Chest" at the beginning, etc, made it generally a bit more bearable)
2) Ullikummi
3) Sky gods dropping more than 1 pop item
4) abjurations from other sources (einherjar)
5) Lowered requirement for Alexandrite (even though they didnt lower it a lot)
6) Increased Iceland Drop rates.
7) Improvements to Treasure Hunter
8) Multiple Spawns for Monster in Abyssea
9) Splitting of BP timers to BP:Rage and BP:ward
10) Skilling up from Bloodpacts
11) Last Resort duration increased
12) BP:Ward range increased
13) Sentinel update from being just Defense to a PDT
14) Addition of Blink/Stoneskin to SCH sub.

I can't think of any more right now but give them some credit... They listen to the right people sometimes.

Pretty much of all that is "good, but not good enough" alternatively "good, but too late". They obviously didn't listen on what was said, but just caught the gist of it.

Like when we wanted lowered alexandrites, they clearly didn't share our opinion of what is reasonable. Or increased Abjuration rates from Einherjar.

And the best things like Improved Treasure Hunter, didn't happen until very recently, which means that if they did listen they postponed it 10 years, and if they didn't listen they just accidentally got it right 10 years later.

But I'll cut them some slack. 1 in a 100 updates are good. (Not counting actual update dates, but things they change)