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    Player Zaknafein's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    This isn't 2005. Getting jobs to level 90 is the work of a night and takes neither skill nor dedication. Why do you care if people can see that you have level 90 jobs?
    They care less about people seeing their actual account, and more about being able to say what ever they wish without anyone ever knowing who they are. Let's be real about this. It is cowardly. Period. If you have something to say, an opinion to state, or you just enjoy talking like you know everything about everything than at least have the stones to do it without hiding behind a loophole.

    This is the official forum. If your going to say something in game you'll think twice about it, because it can tarnish your reputation. Seems only fair that it should be the same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafein View Post
    They care less about people seeing their actual account, and more about being able to say what ever they wish without anyone ever knowing who they are. Let's be real about this. It is cowardly. Period. If you have something to say, an opinion to state, or you just enjoy talking like you know everything about everything than at least have the stones to do it without hiding behind a loophole.

    This is the official forum. If your going to say something in game you'll think twice about it, because it can tarnish your reputation. Seems only fair that it should be the same here.
    This in a nutshell.

    We've already addressed the in-game abuse notion directly. It's a completely unjustified and unfounded fear. Meanwhile, I see absolutely nothing wrong with people being forced to think a bit before they speak. It's not like they're going to be abused because they say something stupid. People are just going to think they're a complete idiot. Which is well within their rights.

    At the same time, it prevents pointless posturing like the crap Dallas spewed all over the Mythic/Emp/Relic Staff thread, and the BS TearValerin/Andylynn caused with his sock fake Gungnir account. Calling people epic gimps when they themselves are horribly geared, or pretending to have relics so that they can inflate their already bursting sense of self-importance and e-ego, that sort of thing is what turns legitimate discussions into steaming piles of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    This in a nutshell.

    We've already addressed the in-game abuse notion directly. It's a completely unjustified and unfounded fear. Meanwhile, I see absolutely nothing wrong with people being forced to think a bit before they speak. It's not like they're going to be abused because they say something stupid. People are just going to think they're a complete idiot. Which is well within their rights.

    At the same time, it prevents pointless posturing like the crap Dallas spewed all over the Mythic/Emp/Relic Staff thread, and the BS TearValerin/Andylynn caused with his sock fake Gungnir account. Calling people epic gimps when they themselves are horribly geared, or pretending to have relics so that they can inflate their already bursting sense of self-importance and e-ego, that sort of thing is what turns legitimate discussions into steaming piles of crap.
    There is room for other motivations in using a mule. None of the above describes me yet I have very valid reasons for using the mule. 1. It allows me to feel safe in asking questions and trying to be a better player. 2. On my last online game I was followed by some guy who wanted to date me even after I changed servers. I used the same name for my Character on both games it fits me to a T. I don't know if someone googles the name it would point to ffx1. I know if i google it the guild point list from my other game still come up. I will comply and list it here if they insist. However, until that time comes I would rather err on the side of caution and not list the name. I have never even once called names or tolled or flamed anyone on these forums. I prefer to use it as a resource to get answers to my questions. I don't think it is fair to paint everyone who choose to use a mule as trouble. Also. GG i'm not saying you personally advocate this. I'm just using your post because it sums up the views of this thread as I understand them nicely.
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    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neonii View Post
    1. It allows me to feel safe in asking questions and trying to be a better player.
    This is a bad excuse. Not a single person will ever think less of you because you're taking the initiative to learn your job and learn more. In fact this is usually praised. The worst people are those who spew misinformation as fact and refuse to learn. You don't fall into this category.

    So not that "you're bad", Simply this is something you shouldn't fear. Most/all People look up on those who would try to better themselves, You should never fear asking a question that will improve yourself.

    2. On my last online game I was followed by some guy who wanted to date me even after I changed servers.
    Thats creepy, But also harassment/abuse. You can blist this person and GM him and it gets rid of the problem. However, Did he find/track you in-game? or over a forum. If it was in-game, Everyone in-game already knows you in-game name. If it was via forum, I understand your concerns...
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    Player Neonii's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    This is a bad excuse. Not a single person will ever think less of you because you're taking the initiative to learn your job and learn more. In fact this is usually praised. The worst people are those who spew misinformation as fact and refuse to learn. You don't fall into this category.

    So not that "you're bad", Simply this is something you shouldn't fear. Most/all People look up on those who would try to better themselves, You should never fear asking a question that will improve yourself.



    Thats creepy, But also harassment/abuse. You can blist this person and GM him and it gets rid of the problem. However, Did he find/track you in-game? or over a forum. If it was in-game, Everyone in-game already knows you in-game name. If it was via forum, I understand your concerns...
    In real life I am shy, I don't like to draw attention to myself. My personality is what it is not an excuse. He located me by looking up ls (called guilds on that game) forums and looking at their member list. Blacklist did not stop the gossip and innuendo. I was just attempting to point out that a person can have any reasons to list a mule, not just to flame or brag ect. Thank you for the encouragement thou .
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    Last edited by Neonii; 07-07-2011 at 08:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neonii View Post
    2. On my last online game I was followed by some guy who wanted to date me even after I changed servers. I used the same name for my Character on both games it fits me to a T.
    You were (what sounds like) e-stalked in some game, changed servers, kept the same name, then made a character on a different game with THE SAME NAME again, and you're worried about being stalked? Why would you use the same character name if you are really worried about being e-stalked? Does not compute...
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    Player Neonii's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esvedium View Post
    You were (what sounds like) e-stalked in some game, changed servers, kept the same name, then made a character on a different game with THE SAME NAME again, and you're worried about being stalked? Why would you use the same character name if you are really worried about being e-stalked? Does not compute...
    Blame the victim? I should not have to change the name. Anyway this is off topic.
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    Last edited by Neonii; 07-10-2011 at 02:23 AM.

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    Player Greatguardian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neonii View Post
    Blame the victim?
    He's not blaming you for being stalked. Simply pointing out that you handled it extremely poorly and took absolutely no preventative measures to secure yourself after the initial stalking; and that you, frankly, have a lot more to worry about than the appearance of your character name on these forums given your aversion to any other form of personal internet security. If you're worried about stalking, and are seriously using the same name on every game and every server, fix that first and worry about where that cloned character name shows up later. Priorities =/

    Edit: Have to? No. You shouldn't have to lock your home or car doors, or travel in pairs when you're walking through the slums at 2am wearing pearl necklaces and dangling jewelry either. Is it smart to, though? Damn straight.
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    Player Neonii's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    He's not blaming you for being stalked. Simply pointing out that you handled it extremely poorly and took absolutely no preventative measures to secure yourself after the initial stalking; and that you, frankly, have a lot more to worry about than the appearance of your character name on these forums given your aversion to any other form of personal internet security. If you're worried about stalking, and are seriously using the same name on every game and every server, fix that first and worry about where that cloned character name shows up later. Priorities =/

    Edit: Have to? No. You shouldn't have to lock your home or car doors, or travel in pairs when you're walking through the slums at 2am wearing pearl necklaces and dangling jewelry either. Is it smart to, though? Damn straight.
    That's a lot of assumptions. There is a difference between having a name on an isolated server and posting it online. I took precautions by using the mule on the web. I take the precaution of never listing my name on an online Guild Member list. Unless he is incredibly lucky there is no way that person knows i'm playing FF. Even then he would have to happen to choose the same server as me, happen to do a sea all while I was online ect. I have no quarrel with you GG in fact I have always appreciated your point of view in the post you have made. However, this post seems personal and states opinions as fact.

    Edit: Just so everyone knows I like to keep the name in Memory of/Tribute to the very special person who helped me choose it.
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    Last edited by Neonii; 07-10-2011 at 04:34 AM.

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    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaknafein View Post
    They care less about people seeing their actual account, and more about being able to say what ever they wish without anyone ever knowing who they are. Let's be real about this. It is cowardly. Period. If you have something to say, an opinion to state, or you just enjoy talking like you know everything about everything than at least have the stones to do it without hiding behind a loophole.

    This is the official forum. If your going to say something in game you'll think twice about it, because it can tarnish your reputation. Seems only fair that it should be the same here.
    inb4Postmoderated. This is an Opinion i can agree with.
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