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    Player Daremo's Avatar
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    Well I can't think of anything quite that specific off the top of my head. I'd be rather surprised if that particular issue had ever gone as far as a court decision, indeed, has it ever come up before?! This goes under the 'never adequately challenged' portion, I believe.

    But look up Bragg v Linden for fun with MMOs.
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    Personally all I care about is keeping my ingame account seperate from my forum account. I should not have to worry about something I post on a forum having any impact on my time ingame at all.

    For those that care about privacy for something they spend quite a lot of time on having your account and server name clearly visible means you can use FFXIAH/google to get a lot of information about them, posts on a forum make you care enough about someone to do so. From ffxiah you can find out a lot about their character, what they buy, friends, gear etc, ingame you know exactly who they are and what they are doing, hell if you want to get really far into it you can search with google and find linkshell applications (that very often include rl information).
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    Typically when a dispute over virtual property makes it's way to the courts, it gets settled out of court, so no judgement is rendered, so there aren't many precedents to follow. There was a case in China though where a guy sued to have stolen items returned and the judge ordered they be restored, holding the company liable due to their poor security that facilitated the theft. Found 9 page PDF of an essay published in a law journal on virtual property rights that may be an intersting read, mentions the case in China and a few others that didn't get judgements, but puts forth some interesting food for thought on the issues:

    Online Role Play Games - The Legal Response

    Edit: grr.. brain fart.. made the hyperlink backwards and it was directing to the title of the essay and displaying the URL. Should look and work right now.
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  4. #164
    Player Karbuncle's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daremo View Post
    Well I can't think of anything quite that specific off the top of my head. I'd be rather surprised if that particular issue had ever gone as far as a court decision, indeed, has it ever come up before?! This goes under the 'never adequately challenged' portion, I believe.

    But look up Bragg v Linden for fun with MMOs.
    I did, and thats... Interesting, To say the least. also looked Through RAIST's link. Not surprised in the least though. Shame there weren't very many more things to look at. Thought we were going somewhere with this...

    Oh well, I'll miss you guys when this update comes...
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  5. #165
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    Man, what a bunch of babies. You play a game, you use the OFFICIAL forum OWNED by the company that OWNS the game, so, what's the big deal? I really don't see how this is a problem anyway. This is the web, and who's 'real' on the web? You play with a cartoon image of an imaginary character in an imaginary world and you treat an official linkage as a violation of privacy. It's a GAME, it's NOT real life. It's not like they are asking you to display a photo of yourself and your SS#.
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    Why must you insist on saying "then", instead of THAN? THEN is a TIME reference, NOT a comparison.

  6. #166
    Player Daniel_Hatcher's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jingizu View Post
    Man, what a bunch of babies. You play a game, you use the OFFICIAL forum OWNED by the company that OWNS the game, so, what's the big deal? I really don't see how this is a problem anyway. This is the web, and who's 'real' on the web? You play with a cartoon image of an imaginary character in an imaginary world and you treat an official linkage as a violation of privacy. It's a GAME, it's NOT real life. It's not like they are asking you to display a photo of yourself and your SS#.
    Blah blah!

    Seriously, people should have the right to pick whether they want their details shown or not. It should not be up-to SE to decide if they want this to happen or not.
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  7. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    I did, and thats... Interesting, To say the least. also looked Through RAIST's link. Not surprised in the least though. Shame there weren't very many more things to look at. Thought we were going somewhere with this...

    Oh well, I'll miss you guys when this update comes...
    eh..it's an old debate that just seems to go nowhere. A software firm I used to work for actually did some research into this about 5 or 6 years ago, alongside another discussion over displaying public records over the internet (that's another issue that will blow your mind once you see just how easy it is for a stranger to request a crap load of details about you starting with something as simple as your name or the license plate of your car even).

    Google Virtual Property Rights and you can find a ton of info out there--a lot of it older cases that didn't really have a conclusion that can be used in court as a precedent to support a future case. Nearly every company that has put some sort of MMO out there has faced this issue at one point or another. And it's not limited to just MMO's either--even Microsoft has gotten into it on more general terms with their virtual earth 3D mapping thing. Who gives them the right to render your personal property without your consent (or even your knowledge for that matter), and then turn a profit off it by sticking virtual ads on it? Wouldn't be surprised if someone found details on a lawsuit against Google for similar arguments.

    The bigger problem is that most of this just gets shuffled off and settled out of court, so there is little to no precedent to follow. Case law is screwy that way....until judges start making more bold judgements for other's to cite in cases, it will more often continue to boil down to a company realizing how much damage is at stake to a their reputation (and future profits) so they settle out of court or something. Who knows what all goes on behind closed doors...stupid non-disclosure agreements.
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    Don't troll if you're scared to be caught.
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    Dark Knight ~ 90: Yes I actually use a Scythe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    Don't have trolled if you were going to be such a pussy about being caught.
    ftfy, and that's basically what this whole debate comes down to, as far as I can see.

    Honestly, I'm a little shocked that SE is going this route. JPs are much more attached to their anonymity than NAs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    Don't troll if you're scared to be caught.
    some trolls actually thrive on the discourse, so this may actually encourage them.
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