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    Player Tsukino_Kaji's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raxiaz View Post
    Both of you are arguing points which are valid and I don't know what you two hope to gain from it.
    Closure that wont come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    There is no reason for support and social discussion to be mutually exclusive.

    Yes, Technical issues are directed here. Support issues are directed here. Feedback is taken from here. But it is still a social forum. The amount of social content handily outweighs the amount of support content on a post-by-post basis.

    Is this the official support forum? Yes. Does that mean it does not also function as an official social forum? No. It serves as both. This update may only be relevant to the social functions of the forum, but that does not mean it is irrelevant to the forums as a whole.
    The point is it was primarily marketed as a communication conduit between SE and the players--the players have molded it into a more social environment, while it has continued to be presented by SE to be more for a support role than a social one. The forum guidelines are even crafted to keep posts restricted strictly to FFXI related content,and give them the right to remove any and all personal, social, political, religious, etc. content from the threads.
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    Last edited by RAIST; 06-29-2011 at 05:05 AM.
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    Player Tamarsamar's Avatar
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    I remember recently reading an article abut how Americans (and potentially other nationalities, but the person could only speak about Americans from personal experience) are more obsessed about "winning" an argument than learning anything productive from it.

    Would certainly explain a lot of the internet, including the phenomena we are currently witnessing in this thread. >.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophannus View Post
    I love back in 2006 when they said Mythics would be the casual-player's alternative to Relic weapons.
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    No one at Square Enix has heard of Occam's Razor.
    FFXI Official Forums in a nutshell:

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    The stupid is strong here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAIST View Post
    The point is it was primarily marketed as a communication conduit between SE and the players--the players have molded it into a more social environment, while it has continued to be presented by SE to be more for a support role than a social one. The forum guidelines are even crafted to keep posts restricted strictly to FFXI related content,and give them the right to remove any and all personal, social, political, religious, etc. content from the threads.
    While the guidelines do allow them to remove non-FFXI related material, that isn't to say that SE didn't specifically design parts of the forum to function as a social base in the context of FFXI. Server forums, Job forums, and the General Discussion forum are all primarily social mechanisms by design. Personally, I think the only reason we really see "Suggestion threads" being directed to GD is because it's easier than making a separate section for them.

    The only explicitly endorsed "Feedback/Suggestion" threads are the Dev Tags. The rest of GD is merely a social discussion base. I would assert that it was the players who took the Feedback portion of the site a step further and attempted to turn GD into a direct line to the Developer's office rather than a forum for the social discussion of FFXI-related business.

    What this boils down to is simply that the forums, by design, are not intended to be a purely support-based structure. Would public account linking be beneficial in a support structure? Not really. Would it be beneficial in a social structure? I believe it would be, and I believe that the web development team feels the same way.
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    Player Tamarsamar's Avatar
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    I understand precisely what's going on. Both of you are trying to come off as if what each of you has to contribute to the discussion is more valuable, to promote some sense of self-worth, perhaps. When in reality, you're both right, and simply are talking in circles now.

    Not that I can blame you. I just fell in to that same trap myself. But it's no reason to be so defensive about it.
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    Last edited by Emdub; 07-07-2011 at 01:25 PM. Reason: Removed previously deleted comment from quote

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    lol i am waiting for the first mule to come out called troll XD
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    Oh man. I'm no longer anonymous!
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    XI - Darkshade - Shiva
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    I am still anonymous.
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    Just wanted to say goodbye to the people who stop posting now !
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    Just wanted to say goodbye to the people who stop posting now
    Mule, np.

    I wouldn't of bought one for this, screw giving them more money for such an underhand tactic but since I already had one and Square are incompetent (forcing it and letting you use level 1 mules? XD) business as usual I guess.
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