Random Discoveries in FFXI Wiki accuracy

[DebbieGibson]

The "scandal" was the product of falsefied emails and attacks by BlueGartr members. Take your lies and nonsense somewhere else.

It's going to lead to a successful project or a miserable failiure, but either way, they have no intention of accepting any donations or money from the community as a result of the lies and bull they were put through. The site will be paid for entirely from their own pockets and unintrusive ads as with any other internet site.

More proof that you're the kind of person that unfavorable adjectives are used to describe, for which I will not say more other than the internet also makes up lies and hoaxes.

It's not the only accurate one, nor is it any more accurate than any other information source for the game on the internet. You are under the illusion that this is true simply because BG is the official FFXI elitist community.

More lies. Of course, it's human nature to believe the worst. A good lie is easier to believe than the truth. What else would you expect from a thread whose sole purpose is to defame the wiki communities that put hours and hours of hard work into providing a resource for FFXI's players?

Now for you'r deity's sake, stop using the official forums as a vheilce for your propoganda and go back to BG and your wiki if you love it so much. Have the maturity to just choose the resource you prefer instead of coming here to slander the other communities.

Why do you speak when you have no idea what you're talking about?

[Raxiaz]

Why do you speak when you have no idea what you're talking about?

Why do YOU speak in ignorance?

[JackDaniels]

I can taste the drama. It tastes like blue waffle.

[Alhanelem]

I can taste the drama. It tastes like blue waffle.

It tastes like stupid.

[Byrth]

I'm cool with BGwiki's niche being endgame information, hidden effects, and cited mathy stuff. I apologize in advance if we don't have a complete list of bird monsters, etc. for a while. I'm focusing on adding the first three things, as it seems to be what the BG community is most interested in. Other people are welcomed to join and add information, but please link a source or write the test you did on the discussion page when you post non-trivial information. If you click "Recent Changes" and look at some pages, you'll get an idea for how to do it.


Wikia / Gamer Escape make the assumption that all information is being added by the testers, which is not generally a valid assumption. It's good for traffic to get information regardless of how you get it, and the testers rarely go add things to the wiki themselves and care even less about policing where their information ends up. Furthermore, after enough people repeat the information it's kind of hard to determine "where it came from" unless it's directly copied text with a characteristic writing style like some of the stuff I pointed out on FFXIclopedia lately, or if it's a test for obscure information like the Hidden effects of Rancor Collar or the exact mechanism of Saber Dance.

Either way, point is that they explicitly say to cite things and end up with incredibly few citations, which is both the fault of the editors (for not citing) and the management (for creating a culture where uncited information is accepted). I've personally posted my own work uncited before, because I couldn't figure out how to cite >,>; I couldn't find any examples. I'm still learning wiki code one step at a time, lol -_-;

I don't know much about the stealing history between the two sites, but I know that there's a thread in the BGwiki subforum of people who were banned from BGwiki for stealing things from ffxiclopedia, and the bans appear to have been policed by the BGwiki mods because the whole thing is posts like, "Oh man, ____ copied a bunch of shit. Banned, and now I have to spend all night deleting it." I'm pretty sure they allowed people to repost things that they'd written for FFXIclopedia over on BG, like guides and stuff.

[Alhanelem]

As of last patch my experience has been the exact opposite. Huge sections were missing whenever I checked an all the relevant info I'd actually need

There are no "huge sections missing." The only way this could have been possible was if you checked the day of the update, in which case of course a wiki with data being entered manually by its users will be behind resources which are able to automatically input the data when fed a datamined text file.

It was a bit slower, yes. but the information came eventually, and it was not ripped from BG (I can personally guarantee that as far as GamerEscape is concerned. Most of the initial editing was done by staff, and none of us ever visited BGwiki; I can't guarantee it for the wikia site because I don't pay much attention to it any more unless someone comes to one of us about something. ) or anywhere else. We did our own datamining to get item information, and virtually all of the textual content was done from the own experiences of us and/or our users. in cases where information was taken elsewhere, citations have been given. We have handled all of this properly.

Wikia / Gamer Escape make the assumption that all information is being added by the testers,

We make no such assumption. Much of the early editing after the move was done by a handful of people including myself. I spent several hours that I could have spent playing the game just inputting item information.

(for creating a culture where uncited information is accepted)

I will challenge information if there is evidence to suggest that something is being copied wholesale and taking the credit for it (often it is direct copy pasting of wiki text by someone with few edits, who isn't likely to know enough about wiki editing to make such thorough edits the first time out). In a few cases, people have come directly to me with accusations of plagarism, and I have taken action on it. Depending on the situation I may add appropriate citation, issue warnings or block users. If I don't see it myself and no one tells me about it though, I can't do anything about it. I'm just an everyday human being with a real life- I can't police the wiki all day and all night (I sure as hell don't get paid to do it).

[Byrth]

We make no such assumption. Much of the early editing after the move was done by a handful of people including myself. I spent several hours that I could have spent playing the game just inputting item information.

What kind of testing do you think I'm talking about? If I can look at it and see the stats, I generally don't need to test it unless I suspect SE has made an error. Think about the things I've asked you to deal with lately (Enmity testing for Atma, Enmity testing for Tranquil Heart, etc.) Those are things that require testing.

I'm off to bake an angel food caek!

[Khajit]

There are no "huge sections missing." The only way this could have been possible was if you checked the day of the update, in which case of course a wiki with data being entered manually by its users will be behind resources which are able to automatically input the data when fed a datamined text file.

The pop item for dynamis lord STILL doesn't have a page as of this second. The dynamis xarc page still has prepatch maps indicating the old mob locations on it. Arch dynamis lord's drops other than sagasinger have no pages. If i see a shrouded bhouj and want to know what it's for i cant look it up on wiki. Nor can i find out what it drops from if i'm specifically looking to find out how to pop DL because the NM's I looked at don't have it as a drop. Not being able to find out how to pop the boss of a zone or how to get the pop items on the page of said NM is a very HUGE error and Things like these keep showing up. It's not haterism you deluded galka. It's the fact that the information just isnt there while on another site i'd see it. You wouldn't have seen me claiming this was the case 6+ months ago when everything was the opposite. Stop looking for your damned BG illuminati.
In conclusion.
Ich brauche mehr Bier jetzt!

[Alhanelem]

I know what you're talking about- and I wouldnt assume or even expect that random nobodies have all the keys to all the formulas or be the ones testing mechanics and such.

Think about the things I've asked you to deal with lately

Asked me? Huh? You've never asked me anything like this, nor am I an expert on enmity and thus I wouldn't one who is most qualified to discuss that subject.

[Byrth]

Oh, well apparently he saw my comment and reverted his edits without intervention then. I asked you to deal with something in the Staff thread but apparently you missed it. It doesn't matter, as it got done.