Random Discoveries in FFXI Wiki accuracy

[Greatguardian]

Which is fine, until Wikia profits from information stolen without citation from a non-profit licensee. Then it becomes illegal.

[Khajit]

Psst.

Guys.

If you're tired of Wikia, there's kind of this new place called "Gamer Escape" where everybody is right now.

Just putting that out there.

That thing is complete trash. Used it for 15 minutes before it became apparent that there was just about no relevant information compared to Bgwiki. post patch bgwiki has been updated rather decently.

[Arcon]

And yeah, the amount of information lifted from BG is astounding. The same thing happens with info originating from ZAM.

It's meant to be like that, and that's good too. It's a hub, a central place where information converges from all directions, to be easily accessible to everyone. Finding info on a forum is nearly impossible. ZAM employs a database model and would much prefer that, if it wasn't slower to edit and wasn't as complete as the wiki (or any wiki, by design). The problem with FFXIclopedia is, that it is horribly mismanaged, mainly by Charitwo.

Which is fine, until Wikia profits from information stolen without citation from a non-profit licensee. Then it becomes illegal.

Is it? I'm not entirely sure, but I thought it depends on the licensing. And I didn't know that forums were usually licensed for their content (or if that's even possible, since it's input by different users and not the people who host/run the forums).

Either way, if that information was actually licensed and not available for free reuse, it would make those sites look even more ridiculous than they already appear. Citing content is good for verification purposes (preferably in the background, footnotes or something), like links to Kaeko's enmity testing on the Enmity page, but crediting people with providing information is just stupid. I sometimes log on just to remove lines like "(information gathered by bla of bla server)" because they reek of smugness (and are sometimes put in by that same person, can guess why).

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That thing is complete trash. Used it for 15 minutes before it became apparent that there was just about no relevant information compared to Bgwiki. post patch bgwiki has been updated rather decently.

It's the same information as on FFXIclopedia (since it was taken over from there), plus some new information. BG wiki is still as empty as it has always been.

[Bumbeen]

bg wiki is the only accurate one. ffxiclopedia is good for quest walkthroughs and some discussion since so many people use it. Gamerescape should not be supported due to ganiman being a thief.

[Alhanelem]

That thing is complete trash. Used it for 15 minutes before it became apparent that there was just about no relevant information compared to Bgwiki. post patch bgwiki has been updated rather decently.

Unless you're looking for mathiness, this is absolute nonsense. Most of the information is the same, largely because one site took it from the other and vice versa.

Yes, there are inaccuracies. But the whole beauty point of a wiki is you can correct mistakes.

Category B: Information lifted shamelessly from NPO sites like BGWiki and BlueGartr with absolutely no citation or credit. This is illegal by the way, as the information is being moved from a site with a non-profit license to a for-profit site (Wikia) without citation.

BGWiki has stolen just as much stuff from other resources, especially wiki markup and templates. Although the colors are a little different and certain other things were added or removed, things like the monster info tables and such all follow exactly the same format as FFXIclopedia which existed long before BGwiki. There is plenty of stuff that has been directly copied from both wikis to eachother with neither giving attribution.

Of course, now you should be using gamerescape instead, as FFXIclopedia is no longer fully maintained and premier site status will eventually be transfered over to the new site.

As I have already in the past, I will be happy to block or warn people who plagarize; but all content is released under a free license, and as long as attribution is given posting information from elsewhere is acceptable.

Just don't go around acting like BGWiki is "better" or doesn't engage in any plagiarism either, because it does.

That thing is complete trash. Used it for 15 minutes before it became apparent that there was just about no relevant information compared to Bgwiki. post patch bgwiki has been updated rather decently.

You're just a hater, nothing more. There's completely totally relevant information there. "No relevant information" would mean there's nothing that has anything to do with the game on it. Searching for one or two things that might be missing, does not make there be "no relevant information."

Unless the only thing you want is formulas for this or that, we are not lacking in relevant information. Get off your dang high horse and make an argument based in fact, not fanboyism.

Every site gets updated more post patch. That's the biggest 'duh' i've ever heard. It did take a while to get the new items and such listed for us, but that's because we did it all by hand, lacking the DPL and other information-linking tools that we have on our newer wikis.

[Greatguardian]

BGWiki is under a not-for-profit license, Wikia is not.

As for Gamerescape, sorry, but I'll pass. As I've mentioned in other threads, I have a very long memory.

Let's look at the cycle of ffxiclopedia, shall we?

Ganiman and others make a FFXI wiki that's actually pretty good
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Wiki expands to the point where server maintenance becomes expensive
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Ganiman and others hold a fundraising drive
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Ganiman and others sell Wiki to Wikia anyways
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Scandal ensues
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Wiki becomes bloated and poorly maintained, partially due to the size.
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Ganiman and others leave Wikia
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Ganiman and others create a FFXI wiki that's actually pretty good

Wonder where that's going to lead this time. Sorry, but I'll take my chances elsewhere. The internet doesn't forget. The internet doesn't forgive. And neither do I.

[Garota]

I did Tenshodo Membership quest for my Lv1 mule... So don't try to gimme that Lv10+ BS... I took her out to Whitegate for a Mog Locker...

[Alhanelem]

BGWiki is under a not-for-profit license, Wikia is not.

Wrong. The content of FFXIclopedia (And GamerEscape) are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license. No one who actually works on FFXIclopedia (again, or gamerescape) makes a profit on it.

The "scandal" was the product of falsefied emails and attacks by BlueGartr members. Take your lies and nonsense somewhere else.

Wonder where that's going to lead this time. Sorry, but I'll take my chances elsewhere. The internet doesn't forget. The internet doesn't forgive. And neither do I.

It's going to lead to a successful project or a miserable failiure, but either way, they have no intention of accepting any donations or money from the community as a result of the lies and bull they were put through. The site will be paid for entirely from their own pockets and unintrusive ads as with any other internet site.

More proof that you're the kind of person that unfavorable adjectives are used to describe, for which I will not say more other than the internet also makes up lies and hoaxes.

bg wiki is the only accurate one.

It's not the only accurate one, nor is it any more accurate than any other information source for the game on the internet. You are under the illusion that this is true simply because BG is the official FFXI elitist community.

ganiman being a thief.

More lies. Of course, it's human nature to believe the worst. A good lie is easier to believe than the truth. What else would you expect from a thread whose sole purpose is to defame the wiki communities that put hours and hours of hard work into providing a resource for FFXI's players?

Now for you'r deity's sake, stop using the official forums as a vheilce for your propoganda and go back to BG and your wiki if you love it so much. Have the maturity to just choose the resource you prefer instead of coming here to slander the other communities.

[JackDaniels]

I can taste the drama. It tastes like blue waffle.

[Alhanelem]

I can taste the drama. It tastes like blue waffle.

It tastes like stupid.