Why is it OK to have multiple bosses spawned but not normal force spawn NMs?

[Armauk]

I've been trying to get my emp. +1 gear for a few classes and I run into the same problem almost every time I try to a force spawn NM for seals. There's always multiple groups competing for the same ???. Most of the time people are nice and they will share and take turns but every now and then you get one group who will monopolize the ???. Either way there is always a lot of congestion and results in a lot of wasted abyssea time.

The monopolizer is usually someone with much lower latency than everyone else around the spawn point. They can see the ??? spawn before the other groups can and that means they get it every time. If you know you will always win the claim battle, why should you share? Most of the time, in this situation, they don't share. They just monopolize the spawn point for as long as they need to.

Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of making NMs force spawn? Or am I misunderstanding the point of making more NMs force spawn? I always thought that the hardest part of fighting a notorious monster should be the fight itself. Currently the hardest part of fighting these NMs is getting the claim.

With the current system, you have to sit around and "wait for your turn" while you may not even get that turn. The other group might decide not to share the ??? or another new group could come. There's a lot of congestion at most of the ???'s for seal NMs. On top of that, abyssea is timed. This causes people to waste a lot of their abyssea time and often without any reward to show for it. This is very frustrating to me and a lot of people I know. In my opinion, when you make something have a time limitation you should do everything you can to limit congestion on that activity.

So this is my suggestion. Before I explain let me say that I also think there should be a limit of one NM per party to avoid abuse. Basically, you just have one permanent ??? that never disappears and you would have zero wait time on spawning a new NM after a different group pops. Another way would be to have a new ??? that would immediately respawn after the NM is popped. Either way, after one group pops the NM, another group could always spawn the same NM and fight that NM at the same time. No matter how many groups are want to do the same NM.

Just making three ??? for one NM does not fix the problem. Not that I disagree with what SE did for empy NMs and bosses... I just see that as a temporary "band-aid" type fix. Currently, even with three ???, monopolization is still possible. There can still be more than three groups who want to do the same NM as well. It is a step in the right direction and it shows that SE acknowledges that the problem exists and that's a good thing. I just hope they don't think the problem is fixed because it's not.

[Kwate]

I guess you can't please everyone, I think making multiple bosses is a perfect balance, this is with me just finishing the Sobek portion of Almace (FU Guku), with the fustration I just endured, I still feel normal NM's should be singular, to keep some element of difficulty there.

[Armauk]

I'm going to have to disagree with you. That is not an element of difficulty. Not being able to target the ??? and trade and item before someone is based purely on how fast packets travel from my computer vs the other persons computer. That is given equal conditions other than geographic location. If two people are spamming trade macros and one lives very far from the server and the other lives close to the server, then the person close to server will get it every time. That is not difficulty. It's an imbalanced road block.

[Kraggy]

I still feel normal NM's should be singular, to keep some element of difficulty there.

Because fighting for claim is difficult in any meaningful sense of that word when it comes to playing an MMO?

/EL-OH-EL

If the mechanic was 100% fair to everyone involved and it required S-K-I-L-L to do then fine, if that's what you enjoy (I don't but let's skip that) then at least you'd have a point, but there's nothing 100% fair about this due to the latency issue alone, not to mention the claimbots that are used for ??? just like mobs.

There's nothing difficult about this at all, if your latency is low or you bot it's easy, if you don't and the other guy does it's hard .. something entirely different.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Why is it OK to have multiple bosses spawned but not normal force spawn NMs?

I'd caulk it up to laziness and the same reason why they didn't add multilples for KI NMs. Whatever that it.

[Kristal]

I'd caulk it up to laziness and the same reason why they didn't add multilples for KI NMs. Whatever that it.

The criteria for multiple ??? seems to be:
* drops items for empyrean weapons
* zone bosses and their overlords

Adding multiple ???s for every KI NM would likely be too much for a zone. SE would have to reduce the number of mobs.

[Kwate]

I give SE credit for at least making bosses multiple spawn, its a fair compromise.

[Kwate]

Again it's never going to end. SE makes multiple force pop NM's, then people start asking, what about multiple spawn NM's (ie Heqet, Guku), SE has to draw the line somewhere, and I think this is it.

[Armauk]

It's not like I'm saying "Free AF+1 for all!". I just think at least seal dropping NMs should be added to that list of multiple spawns. They already have plenty of limitations in that you need a pop item every time you spawn it and you need to get yellow procs to get plenty of seals to drop. The most I've seen is 4 or 5 groups competing for the same spawn and an extra 3 or 4 mobs in the zone is not going to break the servers.

I would be totally fine with them adding some other form of difficulty. For example, make it so they usually will not drop seals without a yellow proc. Give them more HP/attack/etc to make them harder fights. I don't care. Just as long as it's some form of difficulty that requires skill. Not some form of "difficulty" that requires you to have lower latency that everyone else because that is geographically biased.

[Cream_Soda]

I demand multiple bubbly bernies