Jupiter's staff question

[Catsby]

Nope, DEX affects ranged crit rate.

This is incorrect. AGI affects it but I can't say if it affects it in the same way that DEX does for melee crit rate. My guess is that it doesn't seeing as everything else ranged attack wise has stronger penalties.

[Neisan_Quetz]

The closest my rng friend ever got to my crit rate while meleeing while using bow was with RR+GH, parsed 69% crit rate (however, he only fired around 80 shots as he showed up late). Mine was 74% with same atma/crit merits, I had no crit+ gear on me at the time (he had sylvan legs+2 iirc). This was in Abyssea Uleg on buffalo, the first case was in Abyssea Miseraux on bugards.

[Alkalinehoe]

Then explain how with with Razed Ruins basically capping dDEX Rng was 10% below crit rate of melees with RR?

A few things could have occured to give you false info:
1. Differences in gear.
2. RNG was not capping dDex.
3. Sample sizes were small.
4. Different Atmas besides RR.

This is incorrect. AGI affects it but I can't say if it affects it in the same way that DEX does for melee crit rate. My guess is that it doesn't seeing as everything else ranged attack wise has stronger penalties.

Care to show some evidence? AGI never affected ranged crit rate, unless they changed something.

The closest my rng friend ever got to my crit rate while meleeing while using bow was with RR+GH, parsed 69% crit rate (however, he only fired around 80 shots as he showed up late). Mine was 74% with same atma/crit merits, I had no crit+ gear on me at the time (he had sylvan legs+2 iirc). This was in Abyssea Uleg on buffalo, the first case was in Abyssea Miseraux on bugards.

Why are you bringing this up? 69% crit rate on a sample size of 80 isn't worthwhile at all. Assuming GH/RR and capped dDex 30 + 20 + 20 = 70%. Add 4% from merits and 3% from Sylvan Bragues +2, 77%.

[Catsby]

Care to show some evidence? AGI never affected ranged crit rate, unless they changed something.

I'm not going to show you a damn thing. I fired close to 10 thousand arrows when I did my testing and I don't feel like doing it again. Here's what you can do though if you refuse to take my word for it;

1) find a relevant target
2) shoot relevant target while not stacking either AGI or DEX until you get a decent sample size( go to like 1000 or so)
3) stack DEX
4) shoot target again until you reach an EQUAL sample size(this is important)
5) stack AGI
6) shoot target again until you have an EQUAL sample again.
7) look astounded when DEX doesn't increase your critical hit rate. maybe toss a chair or something I don't care.

[Alkalinehoe]

I'm not going to show you a damn thing. I fired close to 10 thousand arrows when I did my testing and I don't feel like doing it again. Here's what you can do though if you refuse to take my word for it;

1) find a relevant target
2) shoot relevant target while not stacking either AGI or DEX until you get a decent sample size( go to like 1000 or so)
3) stack DEX
4) shoot target again until you reach an EQUAL sample size(this is important)
5) stack AGI
6) shoot target again until you have an EQUAL sample again.
7) look astounded when DEX doesn't increase your critical hit rate. maybe toss a chair or something I don't care.

Lol, you know you make your argument look poor when you don't even record your results. DEX increases Crit Hit Rate for ranged/melee attacks, it always has.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Cruor buffs + Razed Ruins is capped dDEX on pretty much everything in Abyssea so no that wasn't the issue. My whm/nin has no crit+ gear during tp phase, he has +3 from pants, atmas for the second instance on buffalo were the same except for the third, I had MM he had SA.

The first parse on bugards was ~500 shots 44% crit rate with capped dDEX from RR/SA (he didn't have emp pants at the time) lop off 30% from Razed 4% from merits that leaves 10% crit rate, second had RR+GH, there is some deviance due to small amount of shots but the crit rate doesn't add up if ranged attacks has a dDEX term the same as melee.

[Areola]

7) look astounded when DEX doesn't increase your critical hit rate. maybe toss a chair or something I don't care.

I laughed my ass off when i saw this ^^. But don't mine me please continue.

[Rearden]

Why is this an argument? I bet you all stack DEX for Jishnu's too.

[noodles355]

I'm not going to show you a damn thing. I fired close to 10 thousand arrows when I did my testing and I don't feel like doing it again.

I would personally like to thank you for doing an important test on this matter and then brilliantly not recording any of your data to give to the community. No really, thanks a lot.

Hey guys, I did this really important testing on a multi-thousand sample size which shows different results from what we had previously thought. I just proved this really important fact, however I didnt record any data so have absolutely no proof of my valliant effort, and have nothing to help the rest of the ranger community. You're welcome.

[Catsby]

I would personally like to thank you for doing an important test on this matter and then brilliantly not recording any of your data to give to the community. No really, thanks a lot.

Hey guys, I did this really important testing on a multi-thousand sample size which shows different results from what we had previously thought. I just proved this really important fact, however I didnt record any data so have absolutely no proof of my valliant effort, and have nothing to help the rest of the ranger community. You're welcome.

Go read through the other thread I started. You will find what I did and what I found. It's hardly "really important" and not that complicated. I only tested in the first place because I read a post on one of the FFXI forums suggesting that crit rate, like damn near everything else, is calculated differently for ranged attacks.