Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
People like GreatGuardian & DebbieGibson (kiss it where the sun don't shine if you don't like being called out on your BS) are PRIME examples of why BlueGartr and other such forums (Allakhazam is coming really close, as well) should be stripped of their Premier Site status. All too often, know-it-alls like them, among others, are the reason why people have such a hard time playing jobs they actually enjoy.

There are 20 jobs in this game and no reason why any combination of them cannot, within reason, be used effectively in any event. The only things holding 2/3 of these jobs back are these garbage talking points being sold by min/max geeks who are only good at ruining the fun factor in video games. "Efficiency" is all that matters to these folks, enjoyment be damned.

I don't think S-E could do anything to balance these jobs that these geeks won't turn into another min/max endeavor.
Its not only them people that don't even go to these site will also only take what is needed to proc so they will get the most. That is why you need friends and don't do pugs. Real friends won't mind helping. I have duoed many seal NMs with friends not even really worrying about procs, did it take longer yes, did we have fun doing it yes, did we kill slower then a group going after the same mob with procs no. Atma mobs are the only mobs were getting red proc is a must and SMN can cover one of them saving the war one weapon to change to. To cover red nin and war can be enough but you don't have to only take a nin and a war you can take other jobs. There is no party size limit.