Extend Time Menu

[Raksha]

You have actually jumped around on issues concerning Visitant Status, and ultimately shifted it to a debate completely different from what it originally was.

You've stated that you 100% supported the notion that you should not be able to redeem a stone for partial credit because they've hit the cap.

Perhaps I should've said I 99% support this post. Anyway, you got me there. I'll be more careful with my replies from now on. The point I was trying to make is that it's retarded that the extend time menu doesn't work the way everyone thought it did the first time they used it.

In a previous thread, you more or less had the same message, and even called it a bug:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post123252

This was debunked (not only by my post I might add) and it was shown NOT to be a bug (I have actually seena moderator respond to that effect). Then, a debate insued because you later start calling it retarded and arguing you never claimed it was a bug, when in fact you did twice in one post:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post123620

eventually you finally admit that you don't think it is a bug,

I spent that entire thread trying to correct your misunderstanding of my position. IN MY THIRD POST I said that I didn't think it was a bug, just that it was retardedly designed. Your failure to understand is what lead to the bickering in that entire thread which culminated in me clarifying my position so as to alleviate the confusion.

but then you start saying that it serves no purpose if it is not going to allow you to trade a stone and not get the full value of that stone:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post123826

You're arguing things which i've already admitted that I was wrong about. This wasn't even my point to begin with, let me quote my first post:

If you go above 120 minutes, then down below 120 minutes, trying to add time will result in you getting 0 extra minutes. That's either seriously bugged, or a massively retarded design. I choose to give the devs the benefit of a doubt and say it's bugged.

Now ignoring the part about whether or not it is bugged, and whether or not it actually takes your stone (2 things i've addressed already) The point i've been making this entire time still remains undisputed, if you go above 120 minutes, then below 120 minutes, the extend time menu becomes totally useless.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post123936
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So... for quite a while there, you WERE arguing against how the menu allows you to turn in stones and not get the full value because of the cap. At one point, you were even claiming that you could turn in stones and get 0 time from them. That was later proven not to be the case. This is somthing that went ont for several threads before this one, which you created as an extension of that debate.

Yep I was wrong about the +0 time thing, I flat out admit it.

When you STARTED this additional thread to continue debating it, you even opened up with this issue as part of that initial post:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post128912

Here I was responding to your nonsense lore argument. The only reason I brought it up was to point out how absurd your logic was. This isn't part of my argument, it was a response to yours.

Yet, just a few lines later in that SAME POST, you claim that this is not part of your issue at all, but rather that you can't spend as many stones as you wnat regardless

I was responding to ppl in the second thread who kept saying 'suck less' or 'stop whining because you lost a stone'. My point this whole time HAS BEEN that I should be able to extend my time, as long as i'm under 120 minutes, NO MATTER HOW LONG I'VE ALREADY BEEN INSIDE.

--and yet, you've KEPT coming back and complaining about how you can spend a stone and only get partial credit for it:

No I haven't. The only time i've come close to this is the +0 time thing, which was cleared up in the second thread. You keep harping on this.

You seem to be bouncing back and forth over the issue of loosing full credit on a stone because of the cap.

I said in the op of this thread that I don't care about losing a few minutes of a stone. i'm sorry if you were confused by this. I often 'waste' stones by capping my time to 120 because I have more than I know what to do with.

If it is not an issue for you...then why did you keep bringing it up in your arguments.

I don't. I havent used the '+0 time' argument since the 2nd thread.

You've accused me of using straw man arguments...I think it is more you who has been presenting the distracting arguments all along and caused the debate to evolve into something entirely different.

i've been arguing this whole time that the menu is retardedly designed and should be change to work the way everyone thinks it should work.

All we (not just me, but others in the threads as well, and yet you keep attacking ME) have been trying to do is respond to the arguments presented by others. YOU have been the one that has shifted the arguments in the threads with your debate.

The responders in this thread are either saying that i'm wasting my time arguing about it, since no one cares about this, or they are making your 'lore' argument. I've responded to their arguments with counterarguments, all the while reiterating my position that the menu is useless and needs to be changed.

I've just been trying to present the info as it relates to those arguments that YOU put forth.

So far all i've seen is you repeating the same 'learn to do math' or 'lore' or 'design aesthetics' arguments. You've offerend no gameplay arguments as to why the menu shouldn't be changed.

BTW....the original issue was simple that someone was reporting a bug becuase they went back to add time after being in Abyssea for a while and they didn't get full credit for that stone because redeeming that stone exceeded the initial cap of 120 minutes and got truncated. Another player not very familiar with how it works tried to report it as a bug again, and after ONE POST detailing how it works, providing links the same source information to support it...it was closed as it was indeed shown not to be a bug:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-working-right

I'm not arguing it was a bug, i'm arguing that it is useless.

This is what more or less SHOULD have happened where all this began, but YOU watned to shift it to go elswhere.

Yeah it kind of snowballed, if I could go back and clear up this confusion I would, but c'est la vie.

Your position over whether or not there should be a cap at all on obtaining time is a completely different issue, and should have never been combined in response to the OP of a thread that was stating it was a bug

I use the term 'bug' in a non-pedantic sense. Yes it caused confusion, and I've apologized and attempted to straighten it out, you keep harping on this though when I thought we'd moved on.

--one such thread was even in the Game Bugs section, and not General. It has confused the debate, causing multiple debates to take place, creating confusion, and essentially making us both look like @$$3$ in the end. THIS is what a strawman does.....

I didn't think It was worth making my own thread about, so I responded in the 'bug' thread. It got out of control from there.

So, in the spirit of what you have claimed you would do and not respond to the strawmen anymore, I will say the same and actually back out of this debate. As you said, I haven't been presenting anything new. The reason is there is no other way to present it. The system works a certain way for a certain reason. It has been linked to lore and previous systems that were likely the foundation for how this system was designed--it has all been discussed in extensive detail. So there is really nothing more that can be presented to go against your strawman, so there really is nothing more to do but let the record stand.

You've actually redeemed yourself in my eyes, you've pointed out mistakes that I've made that I didn't even realize, and shown me that I'm not a very good debater. I just wish we didn't have to go through this whole rigamarole to get to this point.

FWIW I apologize for being a dick.

/bro-hugs?