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    Player Kwate's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebbieGibson View Post
    Tanks traditionally do not do well as healers and damage dealers. It is not strange that pld sucks at those and it wouldn't be a travesty if they were never given the ability to do such a thing.
    They only suck in healing when compared to a WHM or a BLU with a good MND build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwate View Post
    They only suck in healing when compared to a WHM or a BLU with a good MND build.
    Don't forget SCH for stronger Cures with JAs, AoE Buffs/Status removals. Sure a PLD/SCH could do this but not as well as SCH main due to only 2 charges not accounting for better cure gear.

    Or how RDM can handle curing for a longer amount of time due to refresh 2. Also that spiffy cure pot staff trumps light staff PLD can get.

    Or how about a BRD/WHM who is also on the cure pot staff and has access to ballad2/3 as well

    Edit: Forgot how SMN is on cure pot staff has access to a cure pot+14% body through battle trophies on top of the buffs/cures their avatars could do.

    So yes PLD is a sucky healer.
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    Last edited by Zagen; 07-02-2011 at 01:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    Don't forget SCH for stronger Cures with JAs, AoE Buffs/Status removals. Sure a PLD/SCH could do this but not as well as SCH main due to only 2 charges not accounting for better cure gear.

    Or how RDM can handle curing for a longer amount of time due to refresh 2. Also that spiffy cure pot staff trumps light staff PLD can get.

    Or how about a BRD/WHM who is also on the cure pot staff and has access to ballad2/3 as well

    Edit: Forgot how SMN is on cure pot staff has access to a cure pot+14% body through battle trophies on top of the buffs/cures their avatars could do.

    So yes PLD is a sucky healer.
    Minor differences. Augments within Cure 4 still don't take you near Cure 5 range, so what does it matter? PLD are no way great healers, but they don't suck too bad and within range of other mages was my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwate View Post
    Minor differences. Augments within Cure 4 still don't take you near Cure 5 range, so what does it matter? PLD are no way great healers, but they don't suck too bad and within range of other mages was my point.
    But that's the point I'm making they aren't "within range of other mages" every job I mentioned has access to cure 4 just like PLD except PLD can only reach a Cure potency of 20% not counting augmented armor. RDM/SCH/BRD/SMN/BLM all can reach 35% and SMN can reach 49%. That puts PLD in the 8th position for healer dunno about you but to me being 8th means it sucks at healing. Not even counting DNC which I'd rank higher than PLD making it 9th...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    But that's the point I'm making they aren't "within range of other mages" every job I mentioned has access to cure 4 just like PLD except PLD can only reach a Cure potency of 20% not counting augmented armor. RDM/SCH/BRD/SMN/BLM all can reach 35% and SMN can reach 49%. That puts PLD in the 8th position for healer dunno about you but to me being 8th means it sucks at healing. Not even counting DNC which I'd rank higher than PLD making it 9th...
    Paladin heals better than any summoner or bard i've ever played with.

    Red Mage can be a slightly better healer than paladin but not by much. Black mage? They dont' even get healing skill. I suppose they could sub scholar and go into light arts...but i've never played with a black mage who did this, so i won't comment.

    YOu also put way too much empahasis on this cure potency stat, thinking it trumps everything else for healing, even the healing skill itself apparantly. It helps sure, but it's not nearly as needed as you seem to think, and absense of it certainly won't make you a sucky healer as you claim.

    Paladins may not be the "best" healer, but they are adequate and will be able to heal the vast majority of situations on this game. I'd rank them right behind the mages, which is about where they should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    Don't forget SCH for stronger Cures with JAs, AoE Buffs/Status removals. Sure a PLD/SCH could do this but not as well as SCH main due to only 2 charges not accounting for better cure gear.

    Or how RDM can handle curing for a longer amount of time due to refresh 2. Also that spiffy cure pot staff trumps light staff PLD can get.

    Or how about a BRD/WHM who is also on the cure pot staff and has access to ballad2/3 as well

    Edit: Forgot how SMN is on cure pot staff has access to a cure pot+14% body through battle trophies on top of the buffs/cures their avatars could do.

    So yes PLD is a sucky healer.
    Are you being sarcastic or serious, i can't tell?

    As far as your comments about Paladins lacking because other jobs get better cure potency weapons...well let's not forget paladins have the best staff skill in the game and spirit taker is an effective tool for regaining mp.
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