Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content (Gear, Weapons, Quest, etc.)?

[CrystalWeapon]

Tell you what, though. I still have a 12-page long Endgame Paladin guide that I wrote up for my linkshell in early 2010. It's all but completely obsolete now, as Paladin is essentially useless and CdC absolutely destroys Atonement. But I'd definitely be willing to post it in the PLD subforum or GD as a nostalgia bomb / informational tool. I definitely cover Enmity mechanics, which are largely unknown and misconstrued by the majority of the FFXI population.

If people really want to see a "thread contribution" from a BG mouthpiece, I'd be more than happy to oblige.

You're obviously very intelligent in a myriad of different subjects. When my ls mate was complaining about an incident, you explained the claim mechanics of this game very clearly and I respect that.

I'd love to read your guide just for the details on enmity mechanics. Sure you'll get people that will try to drag it into an arguement of "I play how I want to play" but those people are a lost cause anyways. Guides like yours are golden for people that want to improve their playability on any given job.

[kingfury]

I don't think you seem to understand Godwin's law here. Try improving your reading level and check the wiki again.

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Nah I read it, and my reading level is just fine.

I was referring to the Law itself in that the concept of the law is funny. I get what Cid is trying to say in terms of me "Losing" the discussion from the line that states:

•"there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress"

but the fact of the matter is, it wasn't a "debate" at all, and I referred to the quotes being used as "nazi-like" as a means to define their nature and tone. In this case, the line below deals with the subject better in regards to this specific occurrence.

•"A 2005 Reason magazine article argued that Godwin's law is often misused to ridicule even valid comparisons."

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Not to again bring up the whole "bad comparison" discussion again that me and Gg was having. I'm just pointing out the reason.

[Khajit]

Would you rank the posts as SWINEHUND? FFXI= Valid comparison to Nazis?

[kingfury]

Would you rank the posts as SWINEHUND? FFXI= Valid comparison to Nazis?

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Enough.

[Greatguardian]

You're obviously very intelligent in a myriad of different subjects. When my ls mate was complaining about an incident, you explained the claim mechanics of this game very clearly and I respect that.

I'd love to read your guide just for the details on enmity mechanics. Sure you'll get people that will try to drag it into an arguement of "I play how I want to play" but those people are a lost cause anyways. Guides like yours are golden for people that want to improve their playability on any given job.

Thank you, I appreciate the compliments. I do think you flatter me a bit, though.

The official forums did not really take well to the formatting I originally had, so it looks a bit bulkier than it is. However, the thread is here if you're interested.

[kingfury]

Thank you, I appreciate the compliments. I do think you flatter me a bit, though.

The official forums did not really take well to the formatting I originally had, so it looks a bit bulkier than it is. However, the thread is here if you're interested.

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Grats on the informative post Gg. Keep'em coming.

[Minsc]

It will simply mean we'll have something to actually "talk about" when you do post such alternatives/solutions vs. your nazi-like, tear down quotes lol. Regardless of if the quote says it for ya, it's still swimming in flame.

Ok, so after reading all of posts after this...

My honest opinions in the form of quotes is flaming, tear downing and nazi-like. However, telling me to not express my opinion in the best way I know how takes away my freedom of speech, so... wouldn't that be sorta "nazi-like"? Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not accusing you of being like that (cause that would be pretty wrong). But just trying to make you understand that asking people not to flame you is just as bad as people asking you not to post your ideas. Everyone is entitle to their opinion whether it's a flame or not.

What boggles my mind is that in just about every one of your posts since the Gym idea, you get a few people telling you that they don't like it and all of a sudden the topic changes to a discussion about your right to post whatever the hell you want. You get off topic and it all goes down here from there.

Keep in mind, many have not simply asked you to stop posting, they've just asked you to stop posting stupid ideas. As I've said, I want you to keep posting. Stupid or not, everyone has that right. It just so happens that most of yours, in my opinion (which I'm entitled to), give me something to smile about during what would normally be a boring work day. ^^

Edit: BTW, none of my posts have ever been "hate-filled"

[Shibayama]

Ok, so after reading all of posts after this...

My honest opinions in the form of quotes is flaming, tear downing and nazi-like. However, telling me to not express my opinion in the best way I know how takes away my freedom of speech, so... wouldn't that be sorta "nazi-like"? Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not accusing you of being like that (cause that would be pretty wrong). But just trying to make you understand that asking people not to flame you is just as bad as people asking you not to post your ideas. Everyone is entitle to their opinion whether it's a flame or not.

Oh boy... that freedom of speech invocation just threw me back to this lol. I think everybody involved would do good to reflect on this.

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I think what Kingfury is getting at is "You can disagree and not make me feel stupid for suggesting it."

SE isn't throwing a dart at a list of topics and picking one to focus dev time over something else. You can rest easy knowing that you can simply say "I disagree" and maybe give a reason why, and that the FFXI community does not need people to quash ideas you don't want to see picked up for fear they'll take away from something else.

[Minsc]

Ok, I see you've only taken a portion of my post and responded to that part only again, so let's try this...

Many of the above posters are asking King to stop posting stupid ideas as they feel he's only doing it to gain attention from SE and anyone else that will read it and show case new art.

King is asking people to stop flaming and tearing down his ideas.

So...

Stop posting stupid ideas = Stop flaming my ideas?

Would you not agree that he has just as much right to post his ideas (stupid or not) as much as people have the right to flame it? Sure it might not be very nice, but both parties are entitled to their opinion. It's a free forum. If your worried about getting flamed, worried about getting your feelings hurt, don't post. If you think his ideas will be stupid, don't read them. However, if you choose to keep posting ideas, you run that risk of people not liking them and voicing their opinions in whatever way they want.

Besides, you're a Galka, your skin should already be pretty thick.

[kingfury]

That's the logic of an immature, and disrespectful person. If you honestly believe that has any respectful worth in terms of validating how you voice your opinions, this conversation is over.

"Many of the above posters" that choose to flame others suggestions have zero ideas posted to even compare what they believe is a "non-stupid" idea so their opinions hold little value when they choose to tear down someone else's with things like, "this is a bad idea" or "this is a stupid idea". If you have no ideas posted and you disagree with an idea, but you give valid reasons in a respectful manner, you're fine. It's when you choose to think you opinion and stance validates your right to smash and tear down another's idea that you're in the wrong. If you're going to voice your distaste for an idea, have enough creativity to propose something that could enhance the concept or offer another alternative. Then you can have a respectful debate that is "Constructive" instead of belittling and demeaning.

What do you think is a "good idea"?! Post it, and have something to compare before you spend 1000 post tearing down others all over the boards. It's just a better defense than the 3rd grader logic of, "I can tell you that you suck because I can". And NO I would NOT agree that anyone has the right to flame any idea on this forum. Show some maturity and respect and go read the forum guidelines again if you need to validate that fact.

I'm doing exactly what a poster that loves this game should be doing, posting suggestions to the friggin' Devs. If you're on these forums, it's fine to voice your opinions and speak freely on the topics posted, but there's no law here that states you must do it while calling someone, (from one of your nice quotes)"Idiot" x4 just to get your point across. I'm not posting them for anyone else's approval, especially not the self centered people that have taken it upon themselves to be the "Smash Ideas Forum Police". If you don't know how to communicate properly with respect and maturity, go learn to do that before you post. None of the crab-like posters here are deterring me one bit from posting ideas and suggestions to the Devs.

Even this very post is done in a manner that doesn't "smash you" for posting what you posted. It's not hard to respect people. Just try it.