Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content (Gear, Weapons, Quest, etc.)?

[Greatguardian]

@Karb

Making it clear my comments were not about posters like yourself. You always post very clearly why you disagree with the other person. Even when said other person angrily attacks you for disagreeing, you break it down and post back why they are wrong. You have to admit though, that if this topic was posted by anyone else it wouldn't have gotten trolled as badly.

Not to sound to parent-ish, I just feel like said posters are capable of so much more. I'd rather log on and see more strategy, game mechanics, and guide posts instead of the constant bickering/trolling every single day.

I'd honestly love to type out a guide post and put it on here. I've done so in the past on my linkshell's private site for jobs like PLD and WHM back when PLD was complicated. Unfortunately, I have the distinct feeling that "telling people how to play" will result in nothing more than what happened to Frost's Haste: A Guide thread. 30 pages of people bickering about their $12.95 and completely ignoring the amazing information presented to them.

Akujima and a few others have egged me on for weeks about the fact that I have 1400 posts and 0 created threads. I tell you what, if I thought a thread that I made would make the slightest difference, I would post one.

[kingfury]

How do you know it won't make a difference Gg? Who's your audience? The pack of Flamers that roam the boards, or actual players? Try posting it, and let the real players benefit from it. Don't let the 30 pages of bleh from posters that have nothing constructive to post keep you from voicing that which could potentially change the game for someone.

Nike's old slogan.

[Greatguardian]

Well considering the people generally referred to as "Flamers" (the BG crowd) are, as far as I can tell, in about the same boat I am, I doubt I'd be getting "flamed" by them.

It's not flaming that worries me. Not one bit.

[kingfury]

Well considering the people generally referred to as "Flamers" (the BG crowd) are, as far as I can tell, in about the same boat I am, I doubt I'd be getting "flamed" by them.

It's not flaming that worries me. Not one bit.

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That's a good benefit then lol. What's causing you to not post it then?

[Greatguardian]

Ignorance. There is so much information readily available to people right now that anyone who wants or wanted to learn, has already learned. The vast majority of people who have not learned are people who do not want to learn.

Why try to teach someone who does not want to learn? You won't be happy. They won't be happy. Nobody is happy, and everyone is worse off for it.

[Khajit]

You do have the right to do so, just most people don't take the time to. I'm just noticing that it's usually the same people though that hop into certain topics with nothing more than the intention to attack and derail the thread. They have no intention on adding anything to the topic, nor do they say why they think the idea is bad.

When you flat out call someone an idiot, it usually causes that person to get defensive. After that they refuse to listen to anything you have to say whether or not you're trying to help. If you calmly tell them why they're wrong, you MAY get them to listen to you. Even if they don't, your opinion is out there for other people to read. You may educate others who are misinformed. I'm of course speaking in general and not specifically about this thread, nor am I acusing you of acting like this. From what I've seen Tamoa, you know how to disagree in a very calm way that gets your point across.

I just don't like how it resorts to crap like this that both sides are guilty of at this point.

Post with constructive criticism do happen alot on here and the constructive part is promptly ignored to take note of the fact that they aren't going "OMG YOU"RE AWESOME" which automatically mean's they're trolls or comparable to Nazi's. I might not be able to cite an exact percentage but it happens almost constantly. Then certain people bemoaning a lack of civil discussion don't get the irony of what they're saying which only pisses off & annoys the people TRYING to have a debate because when you feel like you're talking to a brick wall it's a fair assumption that the person you're speaking with is just about as intelligent as one which brings about even more motivation to stop them from spreading bad ideas. And the cycle continues.

[Myrrh]

What I've got from this thread is that anyone who disagrees with Kingfury is no better than people who slaughtered millions of Jews.

[kingfury]

What I've got from this thread is that anyone who disagrees with Kingfury is no better than people who slaughtered millions of Jews.

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Even after everything that's been said Myrrh? Really? This kind of post...

[cidbahamut]

Godwin's Law.

Hilarious.

[kingfury]

Post with constructive criticism do happen alot on here and the constructive part is promptly ignored to take note of the fact that they aren't going "OMG YOU"RE AWESOME" which automatically mean's they're trolls or comparable to Nazi's. I might not be able to cite an exact percentage but it happens almost constantly. Then certain people bemoaning a lack of civil discussion don't get the irony of what they're saying which only pisses off & annoys the people TRYING to have a debate because when you feel like you're talking to a brick wall it's a fair assumption that the person you're speaking with is just about as intelligent as one which brings about even more motivation to stop them from spreading bad ideas. And the cycle continues.

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"Trying to have a debate"? Lets review these debatable topics:

•"Is it even possible for you to go even 5 minutes without stroking yourself?
(your ego)"

•"It's still easier for them to invent something on their own that works than to wade through the player's suggestions.
The junk you make alone would waste an eternity."

•"Well for one I've suggested you STOP doing this nonsense over an over in a blatant attempt to stroke your ego. Why do you think me being content to let the people I'm PAYING to make up ideas FOR me to have fun with is a crime? Sure I could say X needs to be changed but I can also say I'll go quit and play pokemon instead until the next patch. The responsibility is on THEM to make this game continue to be interesting to me and not on me to turn it into a my little pony playground.

And your argument you just posted is yet another logical fallacy since more ideas does not mean the ratio of complete and utter shit ideas vs decent/tolerable/good ones will invert itself. It merely means that the dev teams have to wade through even MORE garbage, figure out if it's even possible to do the half good ones individually, possibly let some ridiculously horrible nonsense through because at least one person in the production line wont play the game enough to realize the idea sucks, tie up resources via playtesting the ideas, and so on and so forth through the entire process."
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Where's the debate in regards to the thread topic? I see tear down, after tear down, some flaming, and more tear downs. Nothing you've posted holds an ounce of respectful "debatable" criticism. In the above quoted post from you, your twisting my words and continuing the same trend.