Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content (Gear, Weapons, Quest, etc.)?

[kingfury]

O.o; whoa so much hate (but funny comments regardless.) but sadly im not for this idea its not really sensible to impliment most of what players come up with. the important stuff like af3 boots, job fixes and such should come first

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By all means Chiibi, the important stuff would be in no danger of being overshadowed by this once a year contest. It would literally be for the fun of players suggesting ideas and hoping to see something unique enter the game.

[Greatguardian]

Honestly, I'd have been insulted even if it wasn't you and I had absolutely no history of dealing with you. There's "Finding any reason to yell at you", and there's being legitimately insulted (rare as hell for me on the internet) about an utterly ignorant and gross comparison of an internet attitude to one of the most notorious hatemongering cults of the 20th century.

[kingfury]

You do have the right to do so, just most people don't take the time to. I'm just noticing that it's usually the same people though that hop into certain topics with nothing more than the intention to attack and derail the thread. They have no intention on adding anything to the topic, nor do they say why they think the idea is bad.

When you flat out call someone an idiot, it usually causes that person to get defensive. After that they refuse to listen to anything you have to say whether or not you're trying to help. If you calmly tell them why they're wrong, you MAY get them to listen to you. Even if they don't, your opinion is out there for other people to read. You may educate others who are misinformed. I'm of course speaking in general and not specifically about this thread, nor am I acusing you of acting like this. From what I've seen Tamoa, you know how to disagree in a very calm way that gets your point across.

I just don't like how it resorts to crap like this that both sides are guilty of at this point.

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I agree with you CrystWpn., and I never enjoy it when the hate crew show up to flood threads, regardless if it's my thread or any other. Ignoring disrespectful people is like trying to ignore someone shoving an old lady for me. It's how I'm wired I suppose. Some folks can look the other way and think nothing of it, while it tears me up to even see it. There's just some wrongs that should be dealt with. Especially if there's absolutely no grounds for such disrespect.

I just refused to be intimidated by such people, and attitudes. I'll keep trying to stay on topic, but some folks really do need to be booted in the butt a bit.

[Wataruryu]

Disagreeing with a post is one thing, "i need attention, mithra gave me herpes, personal deviantart" is another. When someone thinks another person is stupid and result to "hurhur you're retarded" personal attacks, it shows a lot of ignorance on their part. I'm all for correcting someone or inserting your opinion as to why their idea is wrong, but this berating that goes on towards targeted "idiots" is a bit much.

While I don't agree with a majority of his posts, I don't feel the need to attack him on a personal level to derail the topic every time he posts. I'm willing to bet whatever KF posts will be shot down instantaneously with the arguements "You're an idiot" "You just want attention" "Stop showing off your retarded drawings" regardless of if the original post has ANY merit to it at all.

Very much agreed, I see the same hand full of people putting others down in damn near every thread I go to read. These forums where created for exactly what King is doing, player feedback and ideas. So what he likes to show his art work with his suggestions; It's one of the ways that he likes to communicate his thoughts, and its a good one seeing as we humans are visual creatures. I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion. If you feel something is a bad idea, you don't have to be so negative about it; You can say you don't like the idea without attacking the person, its really not necessary. I see these same people post in thread after thread insulting others like jealous little children, and derailing the thread from its intended purpose; Which to me seems sad because they seem to be very intelligent people yet they place their self in such a negative light. They seem to want to sabotage the forum, and keep it from doing what it was made for. King keep doing what it is you do. A hand full of people do not represent the whole, and a lot of others including my self are enjoying the ideas and artwork. Keep them coming no matter how silly it seems heh!

[Karbuncle]

While i agree there is a fine line between harassment and disagreeing.

The sad truth is, If you do not want a bad idea implemented you have to show you disagree with it. In every single thread that is a bad idea. If the parties in question simply stopped posting that they disagree with threads, some of those terrible ideas might actually be added.

Because if SE sees a topic that is inherently a bad idea, but no one objects to it, it might be considered, these aren't too dangerous really, they rarely happen.

the real problems are the threads that aren't inherently bad but Just do not make a lick of sense in FFXI and aren't worth the time/effort. Like Flying "mounts". (i vehemently hate most "MMO Slang" terms... Guild, Mount, DKP... Thats just me though)

So you might just see the same few names, but if they're giving a reason the idea is bad, it just proves they care about the Direction this game is going, because they continue to take the time to try and at least show SE there are some people in the community who feel the idea isn't thought-out/bad.

And yes, If i find something i disagree with i will give reasons as to why i don't consider it a good idea. I don't care if I'm labeled a troll by the slack-jawed 10yr-old internet posters who throw that word out left and right without knowing its definition.

I want FFXI to thrive, wasted Development time on things like "Cheese-Sandwich" is something i don't want happening again. So i can relate to those who will go to bad horrible idea threads and disagree with it, try to give reasons, and hopefully get through to some people.

On this thread, I don't think its a bad idea. It could lead to some really interesting stories, I think we should keep the rewards up to the Dev team though.

This forum isn't about vehemently circle-jerking eachothers bad ideas, Its about the freedom to exchange ideas and discussion, good or bad, agree or disagree, you accept the terms of threads when you post one. If you can't take criticism, Constructive, or not so constructive, you have no right to post a thread to begin with.

(Please note my above statement is directed and no 1 poster, just a general statement regarding my belief on forum actions)

[kingfury]

Honestly, I'd have been insulted even if it wasn't you and I had absolutely no history of dealing with you. There's "Finding any reason to yell at you", and there's being legitimately insulted (rare as hell for me on the internet) about an utterly ignorant and gross comparison of an internet attitude to one of the most notorious hatemongering cults of the 20th century.

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I tell ya what man, it's obviously a misunderstanding. If I used the wrong verbiage to say what I had to say, and offended you, my apologies. I felt it was pretty clear that I was referring to the tone and nature (both negative and hateful) of the quotes with what I said.

Obviously, I'm not comparing it to the full scale weight and agenda of nazi's Gg. I'll leave it at that man.

[kingfury]

@ Karbuncle:

No one has the freedom to disrespect someone on these boards Karbuncle while disagreeing with a Thread topic. If you can't find a respectful manner of disagreeing with someone, don't post is what CrystWpn. is saying.

I personally accept any and all criticism that is genuine and of a respectful nature regardless of if the poster agrees with me or not. What I can't stand is people making a sport of trying to trash other peoples suggestions simply for their enjoyment.

P.S. You can't say you're not targeting anyone with your post and then use one of my post in your examples lol >< Besides I gave some good reasons for including those flying rides (won't use mount since you don't like it)

[CrystalWeapon]

@Karb

Making it clear my comments were not about posters like yourself. You always post very clearly why you disagree with the other person. Even when said other person angrily attacks you for disagreeing, you break it down and post back why they are wrong. You have to admit though, that if this topic was posted by anyone else it wouldn't have gotten trolled as badly.

Not to sound to parent-ish, I just feel like said posters are capable of so much more. I'd rather log on and see more strategy, game mechanics, and guide posts instead of the constant bickering/trolling every single day.

[Yarly]

I'd rather log on and see more strategy, game mechanics, and guide posts instead of the constant bickering/trolling every single day.

It's unfortunate to see these forums reduced to the level of monkeys slinging feces at each other. Oh well!

[Wataruryu]

While i agree there is a fine line between harassment and disagreeing.

The sad truth is, If you do not want a bad idea implemented you have to show you disagree with it. In every single thread that is a bad idea. If the parties in question simply stopped posting that they disagree with threads, some of those terrible ideas might actually be added.

Because if SE sees a topic that is inherently a bad idea, but no one objects to it, it might be considered, these aren't too dangerous really, they rarely happen.

the real problems are the threads that aren't inherently bad but Just do not make a lick of sense in FFXI and aren't worth the time/effort. Like Flying "mounts". (i vehemently hate most "MMO Slang" terms... Guild, Mount, DKP... Thats just me though)

So you might just see the same few names, but if they're giving a reason the idea is bad, it just proves they care about the Direction this game is going, because they continue to take the time to try and at least show SE there are some people in the community who feel the idea isn't thought-out/bad.

And yes, If i find something i disagree with i will give reasons as to why i don't consider it a good idea. I don't care if I'm labeled a troll by the slack-jawed 10yr-old internet posters who throw that word out left and right without knowing its definition.

I want FFXI to thrive, wasted Development time on things like "Cheese-Sandwich" is something i don't want happening again. So i can relate to those who will go to bad horrible idea threads and disagree with it, try to give reasons, and hopefully get through to some people.

On this thread, I don't think its a bad idea. It could lead to some really interesting stories, I think we should keep the rewards up to the Dev team though.

This forum isn't about vehemently circle-jerking eachothers bad ideas, Its about the freedom to exchange ideas and discussion, good or bad, agree or disagree, you accept the terms of threads when you post one. If you can't take criticism, Constructive, or not so constructive, you have no right to post a thread to begin with.

(Please note my above statement is directed and no 1 poster, just a general statement regarding my belief on forum actions)

Totally agree with What you are saying, but on another note these same few people don't back up why they feel its a bad idea with good reasons. They instantly go on the attack with comments like "your an idiot and oh must be time to show off art his art work". Where in any of that can you find it to be conducive to what these forums are about? That's the point I was trying to get across. Its only after these same few have derailed the thread with their childish antics; You find that they seem to be intelligent in their communication BUT..... continue on in a harassing manor. It's just just not necessary. Take your response, it was a well thought out intelligent non insulting with reasoning for what you wanted to communicate. A far cry from "your an idiot" and I thank you for it, others should follow the example.