Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content (Gear, Weapons, Quest, etc.)?

[kingfury]

Your title is "Contests for Implementing Player Suggested Content" which DOES imply that the winner of the contest will have the idea implemented. IIRC, with the fanart contests, it was the community team who judged that, not the devs. For this suggestion, even with the community reps filtering for the obviously unbalanced gear, the dev team would still need to take time out of their schedule to analyze the balance of the suggestions that get passed to them. The test server could not be used to analyze the various items, because that would take the contest and change it from being a SE-judged contest to a community-judged contest, which could be organized without SE getting involved.

If you take out the stats or the implementation of the gear, then it is just another fanart contest, with different themes. I don't think anyone would mind that. I didn't see anyone oppose the suggestions of fanfiction contests (again, community rep judges and not the devs) or creating designs for no-stat event gear. The devs would still need to get involved via creating the armor/weapons, but the winner could be selected by the community team purely based on aesthetics, rather than game balance. For this thread, it is the suggestion of implementing of player-suggested gear with stats that people oppose.

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Thanks for the feedback ^^

This is not a "Suggestion forum," it is "General Discussion" forum in the "COMMUNITY" section which means that anything you put here is open to discussion, and is not a direct line to the devs. The dev team doesn't even read all these threads; the community reps do that, and they might pass good ideas to the devs. People responding to threads saying that ideas are bad because they can see that it is unbalanced, or they think it is a waste of time, or they plain don't want the developers to look at something they won't enjoy. People have differing opinions on suggestions, and any positive or negative feedback is an attempt to convince the reps as to whether or not the idea is good or bad, or just a fun idea that, while entertaining to discuss, really shouldn't be added.

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Well, when the community team wants feedback and suggestions they prompt us to post in the correct place in terms of giving suggestions and feedback based on the content. If I'm not mistaken, General Discussion is the place for general suggestions about the game as a whole right?

The "thanks for listening devs" at the end of all your suggestions implies that you think that the devs read all your posts; while this is a mistake on your part in how these forums work, it is easily misread as arrogance in assuming that all your suggestions get passed to the devs.

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Ughh, how things like this get misread to this degree kills me >< I'm simply thanking the Devs should the post get passed to them. I not posting my suggesting to the community team to approve, but rather the Dev team, so I thank the Dev team for the opportunity to hear my concept if it does reach their eyes and ears. That's really all there is to that. It's like signing at the bottom of a letter and addressing the person you're sending it to. No arrogance intended at all.

As to your current sig, Ifrit in FFXI has a short snout, the omission of which makes the face look distorted. I personally do not like the image--just my opinion, and the reason why I think so.

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Understandable. I think I was working from a screenshot on that one, but it's understandable.

Not quite; it is fine to reply to everyone, but try to multiquote, rather than making a new post for each reply. You have up to 10,000 characters per post. There are many people on this forum guilty of that, and it is a peeve of many other people, as it is often seen as trying to pad the post count.

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I try to when it's only a few lines, but if it's paragraphs, it gets bloated real fast lol.

Nah, the pictures going with the ideas are fine, since they have to be links on these forums.

[Minsc]

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Well, when the community team wants feedback and suggestions they prompt us to post in the correct place in terms of giving suggestions and feedback based on the content. If I'm not mistaken, General Discussion is the place for general suggestions about the game as a whole right?

From the POL Home Page...

Service and Support > Contact > Suggestions and Feedback

or use the link below...

https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&p=0&fo=41

[Kimble]

See that was the idea I had. If the contest was to design the look of a level 1, body, no stat, piece of event gear that would then be added to the game, I would have no problem with that. I think something like that would be much more fun and less of a hassle.

Ive read the OP several times and I dont see anything there saying that but when I said it earlier in this thread, he tried to pass it off as it was part of his idea.

[kingfury]

In terms of actually getting a response or feedback from the Devs based on your suggestions Minsc is what I meant. You get nada using that method.

On these boards, I'm asking if General Discussion is in fact the correct place to post suggestions to the Devs regarding the game as a whole.

[Minsc]

And posting here has been working worlds better? ^^

[kingfury]

Oh yeah, some responses is better than none. lol

[BorkBorkBork]

King,

Please try to realize that part of a discussion is sometimes being told that your idea is a bad idea. There's always going to be people that flame for the sake of flaming but again like most of your threads lately you can't seem to grasp the concept of maybe all your ideas aren't great and when people tell you so you start circling the anti flamer wagons. You then fall back on the defense of well if you haven't started a thread I won't validate your argument. It makes you come off with the attitude of it's only a discussion if you will agree with me at the end. Nobody is saying you not entitled to your opinion and or ability to post suggestions, but people are also entitled to respond how they seem fit.

I tried explaining this to another lunatic on these forums, ahem starcade, but try to realize a few things. One it's the internet grow some thicker skin and maybe try not to respond to every post. Two again it's the internet once you post it's open to scrutiny and if you can't handle people poking fun at it and or responding in what you might see as a rude way don't post.

Also if your ideas are only for the dev team do everyone a favor and create and close the thread or go the the pol page and send in your suggestion from there.

Loosen up dude if you post something that's genuinely a good idea people will respond positively to it. If it's not a great idea people will tell you why and maybe it time to move on with the next new idea.

[kingfury]

@ BorkBorkBork:

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about where it's hard not to correct such things lol >< I'm trying to, but dang man it's hard to not respond when the things you've said gets distorted so.

How did you interpret me saying that "I have no problem whatsoever discussing opposing opinions done in a respectable manner in regards to my suggestions" as "It makes you come off with the attitude of it's only a discussion if you will agree with me at the end."? When have I ever bashed anyone for simply not agreeing with me Bork? Never, not once. If you disagree and provide a discussion that intel's you reason why you disagree, I'll respond accordingly if i agree or disagree with your reasons. I'll NEVER down someone because they don't agree with a suggestion I've posted Bork. EVER.

The same twisting that Kimble did with that line >< I said that my suggestions are to the Devs, and I'm not looking for anyone else's approval. ALL other feedback is welcome so long as it's not flame post attempting to tear down a suggestion just for the sport of it. Again, and again I've said I don't mind discussing anything with folks that actually want to discuss things lol. "Of all the idiots, in all the idiot villages, in all the idiot worlds, you stand alone, my friend." does not fall under respectfully attempting to hold a discussion does it? Nah, that's flaming just because they want to.

I'm not shaken or affected by what such posters are so willing to toss up at me personally, but I'm not shy when it comes to correcting wrong things either. I know why I'm posting the suggestions and I plan on continuing Bork.

[BorkBorkBork]

lmao king

I wasn't trying to bash you but you seem to not understand why all of your threads end up this way and your response is proof of that. It's internet dude try taking things with a grain of salt and stop taking everything so personal. If you can't handle criticism and flaming don't open yourself up to it.

As for your accusations of me twisting your words... lol there seems to be 15 pages of people that think the same thing. I personally don't care about you as I don't know you and you have nothing to do with my real life. I responded as to why I thought this was a terrible idea you disagreed I moved on because to me there was no point in discussing it further. Call it agreeing to disagree.

I've tried to point out to you previously how you come off but the only thing you can say is basically your twisting my words people don't understand bla bla bla. Seriously take a step back for a second and take a deep breathe. Whether what you say are your intentions or not its how your seen is the problem. You really ought to try to exercise some restraint and not defend yourself against every single post that someone puts on your thread. People in general don't care if you get upset about it on a personal level but you only feed the flames by responding to everything.

Post your stuff, do your drawings and again if its a good idea people will respond accordingly. If you go off like a maniac defending every single post you might as well sit down and loosen up your fingers for 15 pages of pointless circular conversation.

I'm going to do what you should do with most your threads is walk away and let the flames die down.

On a side note king when you make a thread it becomes everyone's thread.... might be part of the problem.

[kingfury]

@ Bork:

I never said you bashed me Bork lol, and allowing folks to freely misenterpret what you say is of course any individuals choice. I choose to address it if I feel I can correct the misunderstanding when ever I can. This is such a case. You're at least trying to have a conversation which is why I'm even taking the time to show you that respect back. You didn't have to post at all in my thread, but since you did, I'm responding.

It's a strange concept to me to let folks say whatever they want to say about you and you have to the same power to use to correct those sayings. The 15 pages of folks thinking the same thing is truly unfortunate, but it's not because I'm changing my stance on matter of addressing people that address me. It's not so much about caring about that person as it's about showing common courtesy.

lol I'm not going off like a manic at all lol. At least not yet! ^^ I blame text communication for much of the misconceptions that happen throughout these threads since I can't convey on every level my tone, sense of humor, and manner of which I'm communicating.

Simply put, if I say something, and you interpret it the wrong way and try to toss it back at me in a negative way, then yeah, I'll try to correct that. I'm not hard to talk to, but that kind of thing can get frustrating after a while.

Thanks for the advice Bork.